heres some more vids and pics if your not convinced http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2008/08/greg_oden_works_out_before_a_c.html http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2008/08/photos_greg_odens_workout.html http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2008/08/photos-oden-frye-blake-hill-and-lucas.html he made channing and the dude from arkansas look like they were point gaurds