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Last Night in the D-League; Break up the Vipers? They'd be better off breaking up the Armor.

Mike Harris and the Vipers are moving their way to the top of the West standings as a shaggy-haired Jon L looks on (via www.nba.com) (That's not really me, but it's in the ballpark)

Mike Harris and the Vipers are moving their way to the top of the West standings as a shaggy-haired Jon L looks on (via www.nba.com) (That's not really me, but it's in the ballpark)

It would be nice if this post generated as many comments as my last one, but I doubt that will happen.  Prove me wrong, kids!  Prove me wrong.

RGV Vipers 135, Albuquerque Thunderbirds 112

A few days ago, Rockets GM Daryl Morey jokingly posted "Break up the Vipers!" on Twitter after the team won its fourth straight.  Well now it's five straight.  It helps that they were playing a team on the latter half of a back to back, but the Vipers also have really picked up the three-point shooting after a rough first few games.  They made 62.5 percent of their outside shots last night, led by a 7-8 Garrett Temple and a 4-6 Jonathan Wallace.  It also helps that one of their strengths (rebounding) mirrors one of Albuquerque's weaknesses.  Joey Dorsey (oh, and it also helps to have an NBA player on assignment on your roster) finished with 12 points and 12 rebounds, and Mike Harris had nine boards along with a game-high 32 points.  Antonio Anderson had 12 assists, Wallace had 11 and I'll stop there, because I could list a lot more positive numbers for RGV, because it was that kind of game.  Well, not completely; what's up with hitting less than half your free throws?

I don't think the Thunderbirds are a bad team per se, but I can't help feeling that Carlos Powell is "stuck" on this roster.  Of course, he should be in the NBA rather than another D-League team, but that's a separate conversation.  17 points and a team-high seven rebounds for Powell, as well as a team-high two offensive boards.  That's right, no one for Albuquerque grabbed more than two offensive boards.  Keith McLeod has been playing fairly well the last few games, and he had 23 points on 16 shots and seven assists in this one.  Kevin Pittsnogle got pushed to the bench, but other than three-pointers (2-7) he shot the ball well, making five of his seven attempts inside the arc and all five free throws, finishing with 21 points on 14 shots.  Just five rebounds in 32 minutes, however.  The Thunderbirds realllllly need to fix that.

Tulsa 66ers 90, Springfield Armor 74

Mustafa Shakur shot the ball terribly, 3-13, but he handed out 11 assists, picked up three steals and didn't turn the ball over once.  The 66ers used some nice three-point shooting from Cecil Brown (3-5, on the way to 23 points) and to be honest, they didn't really need to shoot the ball particularly well (just under 40 percent) based on how the Armor played.  Hey, here's a fun exercise: can you guess the player based on last night's stats?  Here's a hint, they play the same position for Tulsa.

Min. FG FT Reb. Blk PF TO
Player 1 25 1-1 4-4 7 1 4 2
Player 2 11 1-4 4-4 7 1 1 0

 

Can you guess?  Player 1 is DeVon Hardin.  Player 2 is Latavious Williams.  This is one game, true, but it generally holds for both of their seasons so far: Williams is producing about as much as Hardin but with fewer fouls and turnovers, and in half the playing time.  I understand why Williams may not be getting much time; he's still adjusting to playing against pros, the Thunder don't have much incentive to develop him, and for all I know he's not doing as well in practice.  But based on how he's played in games so far, I maintain that Williams should be getting some of Hardin's minutes, particularly now that Keith Clark is no longer on the team.  Neither player is an offensive juggernaut, but Williams can help out as much or more on the boards, and so far in the D-League hasn't shown a propensity for turning the ball over or committing dumb fouls; he's committed just two fouls so far this season and committed five turnovers over the course of 53 minutes, and three of those turnovers are from just one game - he has zero or one in the other four games he's played.  Tulsa doesn't even have to start Williams, but put him out there - all evidence points to him being able to play.

For Springfield, Mo Almond can't get to Massachusetts fast enough.  1-10 shooting for Adam Harrington, 3-11 for Tre Whitted, Maurice Maxwell went 4-13, ugh.  Kentrell Gransberry was able to stay on the court (a little bit) longer and grabbed 12 rebounds along with scoring seven points.  Major Wingate had 18 points and 11 boards and JamesOn Curry had 15 points and eight rebounds.  Nice boardwork for the Armor, but along the way they kind of forgot to pass the ball.  Gransberry and Maxwell tied for a team-high four assists, and you know what?  Morris Almond isn't going to help that problem.  They're going to need a lot more former NBA players.  But hey, at least pro basketball is back in Springfield.

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Thunder birds rebounding

The Thunderbirds’ best rebounder is really a small forward in Yaroslav Korolev. His lack of size got exposed last night by Joey Dorsey. Korolev got into foul trouble early and struggle with his matchup against the Vipers’ size. The Thunderbirds had to resort to using a two center lineup of backup Chad Toppert and Kevin Pittsnogle and they missed Korolev’s off the ball intangibles…

by teddygreen on Dec 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

I'm going to have to disagree with this.

He’s averaging the most, true, but I’d have to say that Corey Underwood, Carlos Powell and Erek Hansen are all better rebounders.

by Scott Schroeder on Dec 11, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Chad Toppert's actually a 6'6" guard

He’s listed as a center in the boxscore, but the D-League boxscores often list guards as forwards and vice versa. I’m pretty sure Korolev was the “starting center” last night, being the tallest player and the guy who took the opening jump (which he does even when Pittsnogle starts).

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by Jon L on Dec 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

Is teddygreen Korolev’s agent? Did I miss that while I was gone?

by Scott Schroeder on Dec 11, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So I was at the game last night...

I must say the Armor looked better than they have at other games I’ve watched, which sadly isn’t saying too much. As a whole, they came out of the gate a little stronger, but as you said had pretty much no passing game to speak of. The 66ers weren’t all that impressive in their performance, and are definitely beatable if the Armor decide to actually play as a team. At the moment it looks like a pick-up game instead of the professional level they’re supposed to play at. I’m intrigued to see what the addition of Almond is going to do, because as you said, he is not the solution to all of the Armor’s problems. Although at this point, he really can’t hurt, right?

On a plus side for the Armor, the crowd seemed to feel more at home and comforatable with actually getting into the game. They got a little more rowdy, and seemed to support the team a lot more readily. During the first weekend, there were points where you could hear a pin drop it was so damn quiet. This seems to be a plus for the organization, but it won’t last for long if we can’t notch our first win soon…

by WMass_Colt on Dec 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

The Armor need a leader

I would think Adam Harrington would’ve been the de facto captain, but that’s obviously not the case.
Had the Armor sprung for a true point guard in the draft, (let’s say picking Sundiata Gaines or Jonathan Wallace) instead of Curry, this team would be much better off.
Until they put a true point on the roster, someone who can be an on the court leader, they’re in trouble.

by Scott Schroeder on Dec 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

 
Wait Is teddygreen Korolev’s agent? Did I miss that while I was gone?
by Scott Schroeder on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 AM PST

Naw, I’m just a Clipper fan who would like to see Korolev get another chance with the Clippers. In 2005, the Clippers took Korolev way too high—12th— in a draft where successful projects like Andray Blatche, Louis Williams, and Ersan Ilyasova were all taken in the second round. As a result it was too expensive to develop him and they also slipped up by not letting him play overseas.

Not only did the Clippers select Korolev too high, but they also refused to let him go to the D-League and develop—i believe it would have led justifiable criticism of selecting him over NBA all star Danny Granger. As a result Korolev never developed and was overwhelmed in the NBA.

Now that he is 22, and entering what should be the stage where he will be playing the best basketball of his career; I’m hoping the Clippers give him another shot since they invested in him so much into him already. I actually think that in a few years Korlev can someday devlop as a forward that can come off the bench and post up smaller forwards and take larger forwards into the perimeter.

Do you agree with my assessment…?

by teddygreen on Dec 11, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

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