An Interview with Dan Reed, D-League President
Before Dan Reed took over as D-League President, minor league basketball was something that could only be followed in the local newspaper the next day, unless you lived in exotic locales like Bismarck, North Dakota, Sioux Falls, South Dakota or Hidalgo, Texas.
Since Reed's taken over, people from all around the world can tune in on Futurecast and watch the next Mike Taylor or CJ Watson, read what's going on in the head of a D-League GM, watch a D-League coach discuss his week and even give the President of the D-League suggestions (like the current pick-your-poison playoff format) by commenting on his blog. It's simply amazing the level of access the D-League gives to those of us who follow the world's top minor league.
Reed, who oversees all of the NBA Development League's basketball and business operations, has had a direct influence on the recent success of the D-League. He's brought live streaming webcasts of all the games to D-League.com. He's made the D-League Showcase a must-attend event for the NBA decision-maker's. Reed even masterminded the D-League All-Star game, which featured a great showcase of the D-League's talent as well as the best dunk contest available on the internet since Vince Carter's win in 2000.
Reed has directly influenced the interest from the NBA in the D-League as well. This growing surge of interest in the league as call-ups and assignments has reached amazing numbers, as D-League alums now account for roughly 20% of all NBA players. In fact, this preseason, one in four of the player's in NBA training camp's had previously played in the D-League. That's simply mind-boggling - seriously.
The sky seems to be the limit for the D-League's potential, and Reed has been a integral part to giving the D-League this Ridiculous Upside.
Ridiculous Scott: In regards to the semi-rarity of 10-day contracts (of the roughly 220 players that have played in the D-League this season, 20 have received 10-day's) it seems that for the average player, it almost makes sense to go overseas rather than battle the odds on the D-League salary. What are the best solutions to this?
D-League President Dan Reed: Well, if you go overseas you basically eliminate your chances of playing in the NBA that season, so if your goal is to make the NBA your odds are much better playing with us. I asked our folks to run these numbers for me, a - of the 107 players who have been called up to the NBA in a given season, 61% of them (65 players) received a guaranteed contract that season. I actually think these numbers are pretty compelling reasons to play in the NBA D-League, when you consider that: a) even one NBA 10-day contract is worth as much or more than a player can make in a month overseas, b) if you get one 10-day it's highly likely you will double your money with at least one additional 10-day, and c) if you do get a 10-day there's a 60% chance you'll be with that team for the rest of the season, and d) you have a zero percent chance of being "called up" to the NBA if you play overseas.
I would also submit that it's not all about the cut and dry "10-day to guaranteed contract" process, and that sometimes players find success outside of the standard route. Look at a guy like Dahntay Jones. He played in our league last year with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants and didn't even get a 10-day, much less a contract for the rest of the season. Yet he caught a lot of NBA team's attention through his play for the Mad Ants, which led the Denver Nuggets to target him for their summer league team, which he parlayed into a starting role on the Nuggets, who are currently leading their division. Think he's upset he didn't have a 10-day or get signed for the remainder of the season? Probably not. This sort of "delayed call-up" happens quite often. Jeremy Richardson got a number of 10-day bites, and now has been with the Orlando Magic for the entire '08-09 season. Blake Ahearn, Bobby Jones, and Trey Johnson are examples of guys that are going through that process right now. Stephen Graham, Jamario Moon, Anthony Roberson, and of course Mike Taylor are other examples of D-League alums in the NBA who never received a 10-day. There are a lot of ways to do this, but the common denominator among all of these examples is that the NBA D-League was instrumental to their success as an NBA player (and the compensation that goes along with that status).
That's why I think the best number to look at is the sheer number of NBA D-League alumni playing in the NBA, and by that metric, we clearly establish ourselves as the absolute best way to get to the NBA -- we've produced five times more NBA players than any other professional basketball league in the world. We're the most heavily scouted league in the world, and that is extremely valuable for our players. If you really want to look at odds, check out this stat: if you played in the NBA D-League last season you had a 1 in 4 chance of participating in an NBA team's training camp the following season. I'd say those odds are pretty good. And even if after all that the NBA simply doesn't work out for player, showing well in the NBA D-League allows you maximize your earning potential no matter where you decide to play.
RS: The D-League has to be the most accessible league in the world with your blog, Futurecast, Jeff Potter's blog, Scott Roth's podcast, Garrett Martz' blog, and Rod Benson's everything, among others. Is this something you encourage more in the league to do? How much do you think this new media has helped the D-League?
It is actually a goal of ours to be the most accessible league in the world, so that's nice of you to say. We are very supportive of our players, coaches, GMs, and front-office members participating in "new media" and communicating directly with our fans - whether it's blogging, podcasting, tweeting, participating in Facebook, or just embracing the basketball blogosphere in general. I wanted to help set the tone with my blog, although Rod is so prolific he puts us all to shame.
Jumping headfirst into new media was not only a very deliberate strategy for us to grow our business, but is another way we perform our R&D function for the NBA. For example, before we launched NBA Futurecast last year, there was no way for fans to watch an NBA D-League game without literally going to an arena. Now fans can log on and watch any game for free, and follow their favorite team or check out a top NBA prospect. While this has certainly been a boon for the awareness of the NBA D-League, it's also aided the NBA's new media efforts.
Since we launched NBA Futurecast the NBA has also moved to stream games online through League Pass Online, and the WNBA is now exploring how they can utilize the same underlying NBA Futurecast technology for their games this summer. We look forward to capturing their learnings (along with our own) so we can improve the NBA Futurecast viewing experience for next year, and push into the new media space even further.
RS: With the hybrid option seemingly becoming official for next season, what do you see as the benefits for the NBA teams? I love it, but without gaining the exclusive rights of the team, wouldn't it seem easier to just buy a team rather than renting it?
DR: The NBA teams that have expressed interest in controlling the basketball operations of their NBA D-League affiliate usually cite three major benefits. One, it allows you to completely control the environment for a top prospect you would like to develop in your system. The Spurs did this for Ian Mahinmi, who would have been Tim Duncan's backup this season had he not been injured. Another example is the Oklahoma City Thunder, who were very happy with the ability to nurtureShaun Livingston into their system via the Tulsa 66ers. Two, it provides for a great opportunity to develop an up-and-coming coach or trainer into their system. Three, it offers scouting benefits, as your own hand-picked coaches are scouting and competing against every prospect in the NBA D-League.
There are also a lot of other ideas and benefits that I've heard from NBA GMs - for example, at least one team is interested in experimenting with different styles of play using their affiliate (for example, would employing a fast paced trapping and pressing defense for an entire game work in the context of NBA rules? By the way, I think Colorado is demonstrating this could in fact work.) The benefit of the "hybrid" concept is that some NBA teams are solely interested in controlling the basketball operations and would prefer to leave the business side of the D-League team to a local owner/operator (which is a model very prevalent in minor league baseball and hockey for example), while others are interested in managing both sides. The hybrid concept provides additional flexibility.
RS: It seems to me that if each NBA team had their own D-League affiliate, and was able to call up, send down, and rehab players on their D-League teams, much like the farm system of Major League Baseball, that the NBA and the NBADL would both benefit tremendously. Are the leagues making any attempt toward moving in that direction?
DR: We took a major step towards that sort of system when we created the affiliation and assignment system back in 2005. Since then we've doubled the number of teams in the league, have seen 104 NBA players "sent down" and recalled to/from their NBA team, and have had 59 additional players called-up to the NBA. As a result we now have close to 80 former NBA D-League players on NBA rosters right now, which is getting close to 20% of the entire league!
We think the system we have today works quite well, and we've received very positive feedback from NBA teams. Due to all of this success, NBA coaches, GM's and players have indeed expressed interest in making the system even more robust, and we're optimistic that we'll see continued enhancements going forward. Any changes along the lines you suggest must be collectively bargained with the NBA Players Association, which is still a couple of years away. But I think we've come a very long way in a very short time.
RS: Since the D-League Showcase in Orem, Anthony Tolliver, Chris Alexander,Coby Karl, Andre Brown, Carl Elliott and Smush Parker have went overseas, though most still more than likely had a shot at a 10-day contract with the NBA. How can the D-League change this, as I'd assume salary wasn't the problem with some of these players coming off of NBA contracts?
DR: Actually, we've seen many more players this year choose to sign and stay with in the NBA D-League, versus playing elsewhere. There are two pieces of evidence here. One, we've experienced a 50% reduction in the number of players that leave the NBA D-League in-season to play overseas. Two, there are dramatically more top NBA prospects now choosing to join the D-League versus those leaving the league. For example, in the same period since the Showcase we added Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Shaun Livingston, Quincy Douby, Mouhamed Sene, DeMarcus Nelson, Herbert Hill, Romel Beck, Mickael Gelabale, Jawad Williams, Kasib Powell, Demetrius Nichols, Kevin Burleson, John Lucas, Richie Frahm, DerMarr Johnson, JamesOn Curry, Earl Barron, Justin Reed, Dwayne Jones, Billy Thomas, Steven Hill, and Jared Jordan, to name a few.
This is due to a variety of factors - the biggest being an increasing recognition of our strong track record producing NBA players, some strategic changes we made to increase player exposure to NBA teams and reward longevity in the league, and the tough economy.
RS: I think congratulations are in order for bringing the D-League to the East coast with the Portland Maine and Springfield Massachusetts franchises. Was expansion back to the East coast your plan, or was it more of just finding a solid ownership group in the right area?
DR: Both. We've long targeted having teams in the Northeast, but for a while it didn't make sense geographically and we didn't find that perfect combination of a great arena, strong ownership and a good market. Our teams in Fort Wayne and Erie took care of the first issue, and we were fortunate to hit a home run in all three of the areas I mention above with our two teams in Maine and Springfield.
Both teams have incredibly strong ownership groups -- the Chairman of TD Banknorth and a successful racetrack operator in Maine, and a very successful owner of four minor league baseball teams and a great group of local business people in Springfield. They struck excellent partnerships with their respective arenas and the markets are responding well to both teams. We're thrilled to now be open for business on the East Coast.
RS: What are your thoughts on the location of D-League affiliates in relation to the big league teams. Like (just an example), it'd seem to be best for Portland to have an affiliate really close (like Eugene) in order to have easy call-ups/send-downs and to cut operational costs for travel and such, but it might be best for the D-League to have a team in Seattle or Vancouver. How does the D-League seek to balance that, along with the interests of the NBA team and the interests of the Development League as a whole?
DR: There are so many factors that determine whether a market is attractive, and yes the geographic location relative to a potential NBA affiliate partner is one of them. But we also look closely at market size, competition, income levels, size of corporate base, basketball fan avidity (Scott's Note: Love this word), and many others. Of course it's ideal to be able to check off all of the boxes.
RS: Going into next season, there are currently 17 teams in the mix and with Frisco seemingly no longer being an option, how will that affect the scheduling for next season?
DR: We'll take a look at division realignment and the schedule making process after the playoffs are over, as we do every season. I suspect that we may create a new eastern division with Maine and Springfield now in the mix, and that may shake things up a bit.
RS: Is there a chance the allocation system during the preseason could change? I was never really sure how this worked. It seems some of the larger market teams, such as LA are able to bring in much better talent via tryouts, as opposed to Dakota or Sioux Falls. This season LA had two players with D-League experience allocated to them via tryout (Rashid Byrd, Ryan Forehan-Kelly).
DR: It's funny, we raise the issue of the allocation system every year with our Competition Advisory Panel (a collection of NBA D-League coaches, basketball operations folks and team presidents that advise us on basketball-related issues), and every year the coaches tell us they like the system as it is. That includes the teams in the relatively small markets. Every time we try to tinker with it we always come back to the same system. So I think, at least in the short-term, it will stay as-is. These sorts of things tend to balance themselves out of course, as Sioux Falls and Dakota were fighting for a playoff spot this year while LA was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs some time ago.
RS: Explain to me the Othella Harrington situation. Being 34 years old and already playing 12 years in the NBA, he surely wasn't in the D-League to develop. What are the restrictions on who can come into the D-League? Is it anyone that could possibly be called-up or are there specific guidelines?
DR: In general, we look to sign talented players who are in the "development" stage of their careers, and whom NBA teams have expressed interest in evaluating further. This usually means we sign younger prospects (and we do have an 18 year old age minimum), however periodically there is an accomplished veteran who wants to continue playing for a shot to get into the NBA. As long as said player can still compete and a few NBA teams tell us they're interested in seeing him play, we'll usually offer him a slot.
We also think a player like this can play an important role as a mentor and advisor to our younger prospects -- for example, does Mike Taylor from the Idaho Stampede become the first NBA D-League player drafted to the NBA without learning from an 10-year NBA veteran like Randy Livingston every day in practice? Finally, players like Othella and Randy are sometimes interested in participating in the D-League in order to start a transition into coaching, and as you know another objective of ours is to help develop coaches for the NBA. Randy is an example of a guy who has managed this transition quite successfully.
RS: What did you think of the Sioux Falls at Dakota game you attended in Bismarck last week?
DR: It was honestly one of the more exciting basketball games I've ever attended. The game represented everything you'd ever want in a live sporting event -- an already intense Dakota-Sioux Falls rivalry, huge playoff implications, stars like Kasib Powell playing big in a big game, Mo Baker and Renaldo Majorcoming up with huge plays at crunch time for the home team, and a crowd that literally didn't sit down for the last 7 minutes of the game. Usually at a game like that I have a strong rooting interest, so it was a little surreal to have to stay composed amidst all of the madness.
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Great interview Scott
I like Reed a lot and I really hope that the league has 17 teams next year. Hopefully, someone will do like San Antonio and Oklahoma City did and surprise us by either purchasing a D-League team or going hybrid affiliation. Looking forward to the playoffs and more improvements in the D-League to finally get this league to 20 teams, when from there achieving their goals should be much more attainable.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Reed’s a great guy and really knows what he wants and what he’s doing with the D-League.
In regards to the 17 teams, that was more in hopes of getting a deeper answer, however, Colorado is, I’d say 95%, finished after this season.
The playoffs will be great, starting tonight with a big game. Surprising to see so many picking up the upset.
As for more improvements, the D-League is great where it’s at. I’d rather they not move too fast, but solidify the teams that are currently in the D-League. Making more teams stable now will help in the future for finding stable owners.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was also interesting to read his comment on the other site
about expansion in the East and the Midwest.
I wonder if Toledo is still in play (for Detroit as an affiliate) and obviously Harlem (for the Knicks), Hamilton (Raptors) and Trenton (Sixers) in the next few years. Obviously Chesterfield, VA (Phil Evans group) isn’t happening for at least two more years.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's so hard to speculate with this
If the economy was in the right situation, I would have asked this question, as I think his response would have been different. Unfortunately, with the current economic climate, it’d be crazy to invest in a team where you’re almost guaranteed to lose money in the first year – though Maine seems to have a shot, from the sounds of it, they prepared themselves well.
I’m fairly certain Harlem will be a next year, but not under the original ownership that was originally talked about. Trenton, it’ll be interesting to see what Springfield does. Chesterfield seems like a definite, but like you said, it seems like it’ll be awhile.
I’ve never heard about Toledo, but Hamilton seems like a good goal.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to joke and all...
but that was a really interesting read (or Reed). I like to crack on his Armani suits, but Dan Reed really knows what he’s doing and it’s clearly benefitting the D-League.
I thought the most interesting question was regarding the notion that the D-league could (should?) become more like MLB minor league teams, with a 1:1 ratio of NBA team to Affiliate. The Spurs model comes to mind as the right way to do it. It’ll be really interesting to watch in the next few years, see if any other NBA teams start using their affiliates as direct feeders.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate it
I like to joke as well (I think I’ll move Jon L’s COL-Erie preview up for this afternoon for some patented open source “live” “blogging”), but it’s tough to pass up an interview with the man that influences this blog the most.
There seems to be a movement toward going 1:1, but I don’t think it’ll happen yet. Tim Varner asked about saturation of talent as the league expands, and Dan did a good job of answering. That’d be my biggest issue right now.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In truth there really isn't a saturation of talent...
And there probably never will be. You’re talking about 300 players per year (roughly if each team has 10 players, not including assignments). You can find 300 players over a 6-8 year span who were either at the fringes of making the NBA or never got the chance to further their careers simply because they didn’t have the right connections.
Paying the players more doesn’t make sense because at the end of the day, it’s the NBA goal that is dangled in front of you. If you want to make money and you don’t think you can make the NBA, then you head over to Europe. If you can’t do both, you get a regular job.
I work in Hollywood and right now I have had 60K jobs and 30K jobs and been unemployed many times (making those numbers way off). Yet, the goal of million dollar pay-days keeps me coming back. It’s the same for these guys. You’re not getting major league pay for minor league work. If 10,000 people showed up per night, maybe it would be different, but not now.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said there was
But if there’s anything that’s going to scare me off, that’s it. I mean, looking at D-League rosters right now, the 7-10th man on the majority of the teams isn’t going to sniff the NBA. Nearly doubling the teams, it’d seem to follow that maybe the top 5 could play in the NBA, but the rest would be doubtful.
The D-League isn’t just for players that think they can make the NBA. Sure, that’s their ultimate goal, but that was once my ultimate goal. Some players don’t want to go overseas. Was there, this season at any point, that Carlos English, 5’9" rookie PG out of Cleveland State, a chance that he could play in the NBA this year? No. But he played in the D-League.
I understand following the dream, as I’m doing the same thing. To do something and be happy is great, which is why these guys play basketball. They aren’t however, asking for major league pay. No one’s looking for a major league salary, or even the minimum of a major league salary. They’re looking to be paid what they’re worth. The NBA’s got a good deal going right now, but if agents wanted their clients to get paid, they could partner with just 3 agencies and have their clients head overseas. Boom, the D-League wouldn’t look great right now.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only five months of basketball
I don’t think you should raise the salaries. Once again, this is a supply and demand business. I am sure if the model supported it, you would raise the salary. Until it does, raising the salary doesn’t make sense. Like he said, if you get on a summer league you will earn more. If you don’t hack it, someone else will come along.
The Hollywood analogy is the best scenario I can come up with and also in minor league baseball 90% of those guys will never make the bigs, yet they toil at their craft for a pittance as well. That’s just the nature of the beast, yet people think D-Leaguers should make more. I just don’t agree. Start packing 10,000 a night and raising the salary might make sense.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Baseball isn't a good example
They don’t have any other options. There isn’t a bustling overseas market that is willing to pay player 3x as much per month as what the best make in the D-League. That isn’t supply and demand. It’s play Call A ball here, or work at the local supermarket back home. There’s no option where they can go to Finland and make $12,000 a month.
The salaries can be raised, not exponentially, but to create a fairer market value, without it hurting anyone. The D-League is probably more popular than the WNBA right now, but those girls, according to a recent BSotS article, make at least $30,000 and I believe Stan told me up to $90,000.
I’m not asking to give these guys huge raises, but give them their fair share. It’s not like they’re not working for it.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until the D-League is airing their games on ESPN regularly
You can’t compare WNBA salaries to the D-League. The TV contract is why the WNBA pays those salaries and note the lady ballers still complain and they average more fans than D-League teams do as well.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can raise salaries and still keep the NBA as a goal
Right now average D-League salaries are what, $30k? $35k? You could triple that and still not approach what the NBA minimum is.
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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
Top salary in the D-League is $25,500. Granted, it’s 5 months and housing and full benefits are allotted. But the guys that are making $13,000, which is the majority of the guys on the bench, that’s not good.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was that low
but then told myself “nah, some of the upper guys must be making a little more than that.”
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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again...
I’d hate to see Jasper Johnson working part-time at burger king, though it seems plausible at 13G a year.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double J
is making a B salary, which I think is $18,000.
I’d rather him become a Double J Jeff Jarrett impersonator rather than him working at Burger King, though.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still 18G's JJ ain't eating at Cheesecake Factory a lot
BTW bleached blonde mullet FTW.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you know
I am referring to Jasper as Double J from now on. And I envision you look much like Jeff Jarrett, FYI. Or at least have the drawl.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I was born in CT, and I'm Russian
No drawl, darker skin, dark hair, I like long walks on the beach. If I can find a picture me with midgets I’ll post it to the JRose/midgets thread.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you wouldn't fit in that thread
JRose is pretty white all the way around and hates walking and beaches.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now I'm doing it
just so we can have two awkward pictures in that one thread.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again?
Don’t you mean “finally?”
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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes that's exactly right.
I am still awaiting your approval of my Mascots Part Deux Fanpost though, for that I will wait again, finally.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
excellent questions Scott. Team bloggers that aren’t paying attention to the D-league are really missing out on a rich, fascinating and important part of the game….I highly recommend teams get to know the folks at their affiliate teams
thanks again Scott for providing such great comprehensive coverage
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by Seth Pollack on Apr 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Sir, on all accounts
It really would be great if more of the team bloggers took a deeper interest in the D-League, but soon enough, they’ll have to just to cover their team comprehensively. Dan’s “1 in 4 D-Leaguer’s that were in NBA camp last season had played in the D-League” is a crazy number.
If you figure that, on average, teams invite about 20 guys for their 15 man roster, there’s a good chance that every team will have a D-League player on their roster, especially as the talent improves/increases. Soon, teams will need to look at the D-League just so they know something about their next Mike Taylor, or Lou Amundson, however it might be.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta agree with Stan that more teams should pay more attention to the D League
But, at the same time, I also think the league has been moving well for quite some time, and the NBA, while in some cases has embraced it, other teams have completely ignored the D-League altogether.
Great interview Scott.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate it
Some teams have completely ignored the D-League, at least in regards to the way it should be used, but every team has had a player with D-League experience on their roster.
If a player is good enough to be on a teams roster, wouldn’t it make sense to look at the D-League to see what other players could end up on the roster?
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott just got mentioned on Truehoop
LINK
In reference to his chat with D-Reed
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems Reed is chatting up a lot of folks these days
And I’m not surprised he posts on 48 minutes of Hell (who spends a lot of time talking about the D League in connection with the Spurs), and Scott whose focus is the D-League itself.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Henry Abbott posted that stuff
And I meant “he posts” as Reed doing an interview here as well as with 48 minutes.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
We understand. I’d certainly be open to Dan posting here in the more common use of the word, though.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel so honored.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice interview
It will be interesting to see if Othella Harrington ends up coaching somewhere next year.
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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That interested me
I didn’t really think about that aspect when I was asking the question, but Randy Livingston, by all accounts, has made a pretty smooth transition to coaching.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great interview
Thanks, it was an excellent reading.
Reed has directly influenced the interest from the NBA in the D-League as well. This growing surge of interest in the league as call-ups and assignments has reached amazing numbers, as D-League alums now account for roughly 20% of all NBA players. In fact, this preseason, one in four of the player’s in NBA training camp’s had previously played in the D-League.
I had no idea about this. As you put it, simply mind-boggling.
by cordobes on Apr 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty cool
When I posed that question, I was hoping for a different answer. He switched it up on me and got around the issue, but gave me a lot of good stuff in that answer.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to mention
Chris Hunter just got signed by the Knicks. I know he’s injured, but more than likely him, Courtney Sims and Mohamed Sene are going to get their opportunity in summer league and training camp to make the roster. The Knicks were one of the smallest teams in the league last year and now they have signed 3 guys 6’11 or bigger.
by hkf on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got my post up
Courtney was actually released.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 14, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work RDU Scott,
Nice interview. As stated earlier, we hammer hard on some things about DReed’s league but we do it because we care. I am sure he cares too and it shows in this product.
Plus he dresses nice and I bet he smells nice too.
RumbleTumble
by Rumble on Apr 14, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He has the hair of an angel, and his smile melts my heart like butter.
by Aisander D on Apr 14, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really interesting interview. And yeah, the Blazers (and Blazer's Edge) should be more interested in the D-League soon
Blazers fan and long-time RU lurker, now I thought I would join your blog. You really put in a lot of work Scott – like the players – that I think should be rewarded with more attention. I have to admit I don’t follow the D-League nearly that close, but am interested in the concept, some players, the business aspects and team affiliations. So far, news out of Idaho don’t garner a lot of interest or coverage despite our affiliate being the defending champion – and back in the playoffs. Woot!
Fellow SBN’s Blazer’s Edge has many readers, I’m a quite prolific poster, but my first post about the d-league to gauge some interest back in December resembled a ghost town (which is kind of unusual there). Even announcing the new team in Portland (wink, wink) didn’t get much reaction.
That could have been very different if the Blazers had sent down 1 or 2 of their prospects, but since that never happened interest was minimal. Nicolas Batum had D-League written all over him after he didn’t impress much in summer league but got signed nonetheless on the initiative of owner Paul Allen. In fact, Hollinger’s player profile written before the season reads:
2008-09 outlook: The 19-year-old French forward would be wise to pack a street map of Boise, Idaho in with his gear, as he’s likely to spend much of the year in spud country cutting his teeth in the D-League. Batum’s translated European numbers indicate he’s not yet an NBA-caliber player, but scouts are enthralled with his athleticism and defensive ability. At the moment he’s a nonfactor as a scorer, however, and that part of his game will need to come around for him to be an effective pro.
But after Martell Webster went down with a long-term injury and Nic impressed in training so much that he was put into the rotation and soon even into the starting spot, the thought of sending him to the d-league was put on ice and now seems almost laughable in hindsight.
Next candidate would have been Jerryd Bayless who got very little playing time at first after losing out on the backup PG spot and would have been a really good candidate due to his competitive nature. The guy is the hardest worker ever in training and would probably have loved to start for a few weeks with the Stampede just to show what he can do. But the team decided it would be better for him to remain in Portland and train with the team, until he got more minutes later. I also didn’t understand why Sergio Rodriguez was never sent down in his first two years with the Blazers, especially in his very mediocre second one. Maybe something in his contract, which would be unusual? Or no real trust in the d-league to develop our players?
With no signed players sent down or called up, our only connections to the league this year was getting training camp/pre-season players Jamaal Tatum a spot on the Stampede, later also Luke Jackson, and fellow training camp (and Greg Oden summer training partner) Steven Hill.
In my opinion the Blazers organization should be highly interested in the hybrid or ownership model in the future. They should be able to afford it even in a tougher economic climate. And can expect to get worse draft picks and have quite lot of second rounders in 2009-11 that (if they are not traded again) are more likely to garner players who need to be stashed in Europe or the NBADL for a while to develop their game. The European model is showing its flaws even with good players picked late in the first round. PG prospect Petteri Koponen signed a longer contract with Bologna in Italy, and while that is a nice club there he doesn’t really get the playing time as the backup of Earl Boykins. Not sure the Blazers are happy with that. Joel Freeland might be brought over next season since he is doing well in Spain and they don’t want him to sign a long-term contract somewhere but now have to compete with offers likely for more salary.
Back in the fall Ben of Blazer’s Edge interviewed assistant GM Tom Penn and asked a question about the d-league, and he had this to say:
Blazersedge: I often hear from fellow Blazers fans how happy and proud we are to have the “best owner in sports.” I hear a lot of suggestions for how the team could put his money to use to create a competitive advantage. Here’s a popular one: has the organization given any thought to independently running a D-league team?
Penn: You’re right – we do have the best owner in all of basketball and in all of sports. Mr. Allen is 100% committed to exactly what our fans should want and that’s winning games and trying to build a championship team.
Any advantage that we can get within the rules we certainly talk about and explore.
The D-League is sort of a developing partner or tool that we have to develop younger talent. The D-League has grown in number of teams, each year we have changed how the affiliation between the NBA teams and the D-League teams works.
Right now we have a really good relationship with the D-League team in Idaho and they are sort of in the neighborhood and they have a great ownership group, a very good head coach and we are pleased with how that relationship works for the purpose of developing our younger guys and having an alternative to send young guys.
Blazersedge: Really, no thought at all to an independently run team?
Penn: We’ve discussed it, weighed the pros and cons, and we don’t expect to make any change like that.
Anyway, I do hope the Blazers look some more into the D-League as a good place to develop their young players, maybe do opt for the hybrid model, and the nice games our affiliate plays do get some more notice on Blazer’s Edge and other Blazers fan blogs.
Greg Oden = Robert Parish (HOF, 4x NBA champion, 9x NBA All-Star). The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946.
by Norsktroll on Apr 15, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an interesting take...
somewhat of a flipside to what we’ve discussed about the Spurs and their affiliate the Toros. Thanks for posting. Feel free to fanpost any other thoughts like this. Good stuff.
by Aisander D on Apr 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I being punked?
The Norsktroll stopping by RU and liking it? I’m honored. Seriously – I’m also a troll over at BE (scared to comment in case I upset your army), and have read nothing but greatness from you.
Thanks for giving this look at the Blazers, and how they probably should have used the D-League. The Spurs, while having a radically different makeup than the Blazers, really use the D-League as it should be used. Tim Varner over at 48minutesofhell has really embraced the D-League, and rightfully so.
With a 1 in 4 shot that a guy in camp has D-League experience, I find that it only makes sense to start following the D-League. Maybe not the entire D-League, as few really have the time or interest it takes to follow 16 teams (6ish of them not worth watching), but I think even reading our call-up lists and things of that nature are beneficial, as you never know who the next Mike Taylor’s going to be. Last nights playoff game probably featured him, as 14ers guard Trey Gilder is garnering 2nd round attention according to one of the NBA scouts I know (you wouldn’t believe how hard it was for me to get that information).
Anyway, I can’t give your post the full breakdown it deserves, as I basically would just say that I agree on all points and wish Petteri Koponen was in the D-League. He intrigued me in Vegas this Summer.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers/Stamps
From what I can gather, the Stamps have a great relationship with Toronto The Stamps also had a excellent relationship with Seattle before they flew the coop. And before that – a great relationship with Utah.
As for the Blazers, there doesn’t seem to be that much of a relationship. Oh, Coach Gates did serve grits at the Blazer homeless Thanksgiving dinner but I believe there has been much of anything else. Don’t really know why that is. Bottom line is that is not good for the Stamps…eventually everyone in the NBADL will have one NBA dance partner and Portland is the only logical team in the Northwest for Boise at this time.
I think Stamps ownership would be very interested in exploring the hybrid model – owner Jerry Jones Illet (who I hope invited Coach Joel over to watch the game tonight with him since someone made the call not to fly him down so he could actually coach) as much said so in a radio interview. For a hands on mgnt team like the Blazers one would think that would be perfect. Boise is not driving distance from Portland but I think there are probably at least six flights a day back and forth so distance should not be an issue.
Oh well, guess we will cross that bridge when the time comes. Good luck to the Blazers in the playoffs.
by Rumble on Apr 15, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it
He seems to really have his head on straight. He knows the limitations of the current system and while he (obviously) wants it to grow and succeed, he’s not taking overly risky chances that hurt the foundation of the league.
I love that he wants to make the league so accessible via online media. As a fan who doesn’t get to watch the games this media is what keeps me semi-informed and interested. On a side note: WNBA Futurecasts??? Can you feel the excitement!?!?
by JRose on Apr 15, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How great of an idea is WNBA Futurecasts?
Seriously. Would I watch them? In all likelihood, no. Would people? I’m sure just as many as watch the D-League, if not more.
He realizes the current limitations, like you said, but he’s not really hamstrung by them – might be what I like most about him, as he’s not really given much to work with.
The online media is something everyone should be using. I mean, how amazing would it be if the NBA were to have their own Freddy Finals?
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would if Candace Parker was playing....
she would dominate the D-League if she was eligible. Chick can ball. Plus she married Sheldon Williams, my boy. Lucky Bastard.
by Aisander D on Apr 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if the NBA had a Freddy Finals....
I would have much more photoshopping to do.
by Aisander D on Apr 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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