Thinking Out Loud: Why Would A D-League Player Turn Down An NBA Contract?
Last week, I reported that the Indiana Pacers were expected to sign the Austin Toros' Marcus Williams according to sources close to the situation.
A couple of days later, Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said that if the Pacers would sign a hypothetical D-League player, he wouldn't play him.
The following day, Pacers GM David Morway e-mailed RealGM to say that the Pacers have "taken a close look at our options and we're not going to make a roster move at this time."
So random D-League blogger Scott Schroeder was wrong, right? As Lee Corso might say, "Not so fast, my friend!"
Even though it's impossible to get anyone to go on the record for this story (trust me, I've tried), I received the following message from one of my trusted sources (and corroborated it with another):
He turned them down. Good move by him not to get locked up. It's an interesting development in a development league. Call up crazy players limit themselves.
I feel the above story is much more likely than the story of the Pacers simply deciding that they're not going to make a roster move "at this time" - especially since Indiana didn't elaborate on the story and obviously showed enough interest that Williams didn't travel for his D-League team's first playoff game.
Following the jump, I break down other possible reasons as to why Williams would down an NBA contract with the Pacers from 'most likely' to 'least likely' in the interest of fully looking at all of Williams' options.
In short, I don't think Williams is as crazy as he sounds.
Williams wanted to keep his options open for the Summer.
Why this is a possibility: There are more than likely a number of teams with interest in having a 6-foot-7, 23-year-old scorer with budding point guard skills on their Summer League team.
Why should Williams limit himself to just the Pacers, especially if there wasn't a guarantee involved?
I've been told that the Pacers wanted to sign Williams through October 31, but he was only interested in signing with the Pacers for the last five games of this season through the Summer Leagues because he wanted to keep his options open with other NBA, Euroleague and Asian teams if the Pacers were unwilling to guarantee anything.
Bringing us to one of those options...
The San Antonio Spurs "recommended" Williams stick with the D-League team they own, his Austin Toros.
Why this is a possibility: The San Antonio Spurs obviously have shown a large amount of interest in Williams, starting when they drafted the Arizona rookie in the 2007 NBA draft and most recently in the form of giving him a chance to make the team by way of inclusion on the preseason roster.
Williams has also played for the Toros since his rookie season, running the Spurs system. Therefore, Williams more than likely knows the Spurs offensive and defensive intricacies by now - and the Spurs know Williams better than any other NBA team. Why would either party want to lose one another?
However, since the Spurs used their last two roster spots on current Austin Toros Alonzo Gee and Curtis Jerrells, they aren't able to lock Williams in with an NBA contract to keep him away from other NBA teams like they did with his Toros teammates.
What the Spurs could have done, though, is strongly suggested that if Williams sticks around for the duration of the Toros season, they'd once again sign him for the Summer as well as invite him to vet camp where he'll have a leg up on any competition due to - if nothing else - familiarity.
Perhaps the Spurs even upped whatever the Pacers offered, which is what is heavily rumored to have been the reason that they were able to wrestle Alonzo Gee back from the Washington Wizards.
This wouldn't be the first time the Spurs outmaneuvered a rival team and it certainly wouldn't be the last.
Williams didn't want to hurt his chances of making an NBA roster next season.
Why this is a possibility: I know, I know - the Pacers were more than likely offering him at least a camp invite so this could have been his shot at making an NBA roster next season.
What most people don't take into account though is that the NBA minimum salary scale goes up each season - and the minimum is more than likely what Williams could expect as a D-League call-up.
Had Williams taken the Pacers offer, his minimum salary next season would be $885,120, but without accruing that extra NBA year of service he'd be owed $854,389 - a savings for the potential NBA team of over $30,000. While that doesn't seem like a substantial amount, every little bit helps when you're a fringe NBA player hoping for a contract OR when you're NBA team treading dangerously close to the luxury tax.
Williams wasn't happy that he wouldn't be able to play this season.
Why this is a possibility: What are the advantages of Williams taking a call-up to sit on an NBA bench for a few games when the alternative is to contribute to the Austin Toros playoff run, a team that's already helped Williams earn NBA contracts in his first two professional seasons?
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While this may simply be a case that the Pacers decided not to bring Williams in - whether it be to O'Brien insisting he wouldn't play him or that they decided against it for another reason - the above options seem more likely, at least to myself.
Or maybe I'm crazy.
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If players with more than two years of NBA experience sign a one year minimum salary contract, then the team is charged only for the amount equal to that of a two year veterans minimum salary contract, with the league refunding the difference between that and the player’s actual salary. So having an extra year of experience makes no difference.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Apr 12, 2025 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does that also include 10 day contracts?
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 12, 2025 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway
I confirmed that wasn’t the reason.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 12, 2025 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the Spurs' roster
They have about five guys with expiring contracts (not counting Jerrells), including Keith Bogans and Roger Mason. The Pacers have three, but that includes two point guards (Earl Watson and T.J. Ford). If I had to guess, without having talked to anyone), Williams probably saw that more roster spots will be available in San Antonio next year.
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by Jon L on Apr 12, 2025 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs will actively try to trade RJ RJ’s contract this offseason. That will leave Hairston as our only SF on the roster. With Tony Parker, George Hill, and Manu Ginobili being our effective point guards, but all playing excellent off the ball, it makes sense to have a Brent Barry-ish (minus the 3 ball) SF who can bring the ball up the court and further open up the paint for TD and our slashers.
by BlaseE on Apr 12, 2025 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if it's expirings
As much as simply thinking there’s a better opportunity there. I have to assume that even if each had 3 roster spots open, but the Spurs told him to stick around, that he’d stay in Austin just because they’ve been good to him in the past.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 12, 2025 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s arguably the Spurs weakest position though if Duncan is playing the 5 to you.
I think you are right, but his point is still extremely valid. I don’t know about the Pacer’s contract situation, but the Spurs have to sign veteran’s at minimum or prospects at minimum to fill out the roster with the Manu deal and RJ’s contract.
by BlaseE on Apr 12, 2025 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed in general
There are obviously a multitude of parts that went into his decision.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 12, 2025 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Scott. I’m front paging this as a fanshot on PTR.
by BlaseE on Apr 12, 2025 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate it.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 12, 2025 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really impressed with his play during the summer league and preseason. I’d be ecstatic to see him get another opportunity at making the Spurs roster.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Apr 12, 2025 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How much would he make from the contract with the Pacers?
How much a 10 day contract is worth? How much would the contract the Pacers offered him pay in guaranteed and potential earnings?
Thanks.
by Joana on Apr 12, 2025 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There aren’t ten days left in the season, but Williams would have earned $4,855.86 for every day he spent on their roster this year.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Apr 12, 2025 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott,
I suspect that you are correct about the Spurs and Williams. Something that is true of the Spurs this season—something they’re not wanting to repeat next year—is that their collective knowledge was down significantly from past years. Popovich blames that more than anything for their underachievement this season, although (homer alert!) they’re riding a bunch of momentum into the playoffs.
What’s this have to do with Williams?
I think the Spurs have an offseason goal of improving their “corporate knowledge”. The best and most inexpensive way to do this is by giving upstart Toros an opportunity to make the roster and limit the number of completely new players in next year’s camp.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tiago Splitter and a draft pick as the only two new players on their 2010-11 roster.
The summer league and training camp roster will, best scenario, look something like this:
Duncan, Parker, Hill, Ginobili, RJ, Blair, McDyess, Hairston, Temple, Gee, Jerrels, Marcus Williams, Splitter, draft pick, and, hopefully, Bonner. With, say, James Gist, a second round draft pick, maybe Ian Mahinmi, and a couple of potential Toros thrown in.
Everyone talks about RJ being moved at the start of the summer. I don’t think so. If the Spurs move anyone it will be McDyess. In that scenario, reconsidering on Mahinmi is a possibility.
RJ is more valuable as a February trade chip. And the Spurs will want to see what they can get from Gee and Hairston, if anything, before parting with RJ.
by Timothy Varner on Apr 13, 2025 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Williams a Spur next year???
Williams never seemed to fit in on the Spurs when he got playing time in pre-season. Temple has really looked good and I’m betting he’ll make the roster next year. Mahinmi is a free agent at the end of this season and I’ll take bets that Tiago Splitter doesn’t come over for the 2010/11 season. That means we’ll really need Mahinmi who has looked pretty decent when he does get playing time. He’s productive, but because he is a youngster Pop is reluctant to play him. But if we lose him we’ll regret it. McDyess might have another year in him, but that is a question mark. Gee is a real comer, but Williams is a borderline player. Does well in the D-League, but falters in the NBA. Doesn’t have Temple’s speed or defensive skills and that hurts him with Pop. Jerrels won’t be back and Gist is a big question mark. The Spurs will need a good back up for Duncan and that isn’t Blair because he can’t defend against mobile 7 footers like Bynum and a host of other centers on West rosters. The Spurs will still need to draft a big this year, because that is the one spot needed, especially if they let Mahinmi go.
by jimjule on Apr 13, 2025 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
williams looks like trade material what do you think?
really like williams , and alot of d league prospects but truth is pop doesnt, and im starting to get a lil suspicious of pops d league hoarding! think about it mahinmi (i know hes free this summer but hes somewhat obligated to see what the spurs want) temple,hairston,gee i think hes flashing talent out there while saying “look they can play in my system as well” and trying to package a trade. i dont think dice or jefferson are going anywhere, however i do believe this is the last of parker well see maybe until he comes back as a 32 yr old hahah to play solid backup to hill when hes in allstar form, i have also talked with buford and when he says the spurs are going to do something he comes through, so i dont see him being so confident in splitters arrival for nothing. overall theres something up pops sleeve as usual and i think they are going to make some big time moves during 2010 FA in spurs fashion as usual. we def. need to keep hairston
by lennybrooster on Apr 14, 2025 5:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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