D-League Digest Dominates Dialogue Dictation
As I noted during the Showcase, D-League Digest's Steve Weinman may as well be called the Man of 1,000 interviews, similar to how Dean Malenko was called the Man of 1,000 Holds.
Seemingly trying to live upto the moniker I've bestowed upon him, yesterday Weinman posted an excellent recap of nine D-Leaguer's answers to the question "What do you need to do to take your game to the next level?"
I won't get into breaking down individual answers, but to summarize: there were a couple of guys that made excuses, a couple that pointed out things they need to work on and the rest essentially said they just have to keep doing what they're doing and everything else will fall into place.
By my count, only one of the answers was exactly what I wouldn't have wanted to hear, while the rest of them left me somewhere between indifferent and impressed with what the player had to say.
However Joe Treutlein, who runs Hoopdata, writes for Draft Express and logs video for Synergy according to his Twitter bio, apparently didn't like those answers as much as I did, as shown via the following tweets:
If I were a GM looking at players, only 2 of those players answered the way I'd want them to.Some of those answers certainly tell you why those players are in the DLeague, though. reggie gets it. jones knows his role. the rest either think they "deserve it" or have priorities mixed up based on their skillsets
reggie knocked the ball out of the park with his answer. jones also had a decent answer. Almond/Kurz didn't mention defense. Beck/Butch/Tucker = platitudes. Farmer/Powell = "deserve it" "I'm ready."
If you're in the DLeague, the answer isn't consistency or "playing ball" or "believing in yourself." It's improving something(s).
Really, the only tweets that I'm in agreement with are that "Some of those answers certainly tell you why those players are in the DLeague, though" and the fact that Reggie Williams 'gets it.'
The rest, well, not so much.
I'm sure Treutlein is well respected when it comes to scouting since he's a contributor to Draft Express, but I'm fairly certain he's off base in this case, especially when he speaks about consistency not being a reason that players are in the D-League. While every player, no matter what level of the game their at, could stand to improve on something, I would strongly disagree that that's the sole reason that these players are in the D-League.
My best example for the consistency argument is probably Dwayne Jones: Now that Jones is averaging a healthy 16.8 points and 14.8 boards per game while staying out of foul trouble and blocking right around two shots per game, I'm not sure what he still has left to improve upon. Jones' analysis was correct: he just needs to continue to show what he can do. If he can grab 15 boards and pickup two blocks per game consistently, the points are gravy.
Rob Kurz, who Treutlein apparently wouldn't call-up because he didn't mention defense, has already improved his game tremendously since coming to the D-League. Typically, this wouldn't mean a lot, but since he was in the NBA last season with a less diverse skill-set, I'd certainly assume that he's improved enough to get another NBA look.
I'm also not sure that Carlos Powell really needs to improve on a plethora of things to make the NBA since I'd deem him NBA caliber currently, but sure, it'd be nice for him to have a more consistent 3-point shot. Should it be required for him to make it to the next level? No, because there are plenty of players already in the NBA that aren't as well-rounded as Powell is while toiling in the D-League.
The other problem Treutlein mentioned is that Romel Beck, Brian Butch and DDar Tucker used platitudes to discuss their chances of making it to the next level. Is it so wrong to give what amounts to being a politically correct answer to a journalist? What were they supposed to say? Their answers were professional and shouldn't be discounted because they said what they've been taught tell people.
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No, it’s not wrong to reply to a journalist with platitudes. I didn’t say it was. Just pointing out that those aren’t particularly answers I’d want to hear. These answers could be reflective of these players’ attitudes towards what they need to do to reach the NBA or it could be them not wanting to talk to a journalist. I don’t know, so I was just replying to what they said.
On Dwayne Jones, he’s a player who has at least one clear NBA skill, and at his age, I think there’s no chance for him to develop much else, which is why his answer was realistic and what I’d want to hear.
On Rob Kurz, if I sign someone who would be one of the most unathletic power forwards in the league, I don’t want to hear him tell me about how he is diversifying his shot creation skills and trying to post guys up more. What NBA team is going to run post ups for Rob Kurz? On the other hand, I’d like to hear that Rob Kurz is working on defensive fundamentals and spending every day possible with a trainer trying to improve his explosiveness and quickness. Those are the things that will get Kurz a permanent roster spot in the NBA, not diversifying his scoring. Regardless, from all I’ve heard about Kurz, he actually does work on the things I mentioned, and probably will get back in the league at some point, but his answer just wasn’t what I wanted to hear.
On Carlos Powell, no mention of improving his three-point shooting or perimeter defense? And then saying that he’s ready? In my opinion, and the opinion of 30 NBA GM’s, obviously, he’s not ready. For him to not even mention the two areas he could improve that actually would likely get him an NBA roster spot definitely rubs me the wrong way. He’s one of the most talented guys on this list, but rather than working on the two areas of his game holding him back, he thinks he’s ready. And he’s too unselfish.
Dar Tucker has major problems with inefficiency, shot selection, turning the ball over, and three-point range. He’s the best prospect of any player on this list long term, given his physical attributes, and for a player who is nowhere near his potential in so many areas, for him to say he just needs to play ball is probably the most disappointing answer on the entire list.
For Brian Butch, no mention of defense or working on explosiveness or quickness.
For Romel Beck, I honestly haven’t really scouted him much, so I can’t really reply to what he specifically needs to do. He doesn’t even have a profile in DX database.
Maybe my responses were directed more towards the players than I had intended, as I meant to criticize their answers more than the players themselves. Regardless, most of their answers tend to correlate with the development we see from them over time. Of the guys on this list, Reggie Williams is really the only player who’s added an NBA skill to his game in the past season, his three-point shooting, and his answer went on to talk about more things he needs to add! Coming into this season, if you asked me what Reggie Williams need to do to make an NBA roster, I’d say hit threes, play better perimeter defense, keep playing within a team concept, and keep working on your athletic abilities. He did the first one and answered two of the latter three in his response. That’s a guy who really gets it, and it’s no coincidence he’s improved his prospects for the NBA more than any player on this list in the last eight months.
Maybe some of the guys on this list really buy into their platitudes, maybe some of them didn’t care to answer a journalist. Maybe some of them are working hard on all the weak areas of their game holding them back, maybe some of them are doing exactly what they said they’re doing. I can’t say for sure, but I can speak to the answers they gave.
My biggest thing is for someone like Carlos Powell, even if everyone around him is telling him he’s ready and he deserves a call-up and he’s already better than guys on NBA rosters, it’s completely against his best interest to buy into that concept. For a marginal NBA player (which is the best characterization to anyone you can give in the D League), the last thing I ever want to hear is I deserve it or I’m ready. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant. I want a player who is aware of his weaknesses and is actively working on improving them. And when he finishes working on those things, he moves on to the next segment of his game. Why would I want a guy who thinks he’s already ready? What is he going to do to keep improving his game?
Anyways, next time can you please contact me through e-mail or direct message or something asking for clarification on what I said in a 140-character tweet? I don’t think you took my quotes out of context or painted me inaccurately or anything of the sort, but I obviously had a lot more to say about this, and it’s kind of common courtesy to reach out to me if you’re going to write an entire article centered around my 140-character off-hand comments.
by JoeTreutlein on Feb 18, 2025 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
All good points
but I think you’re reading too much into it. Getting straight answers from most athletes is always going to be difficult. They may not be helping their cases, but its better to say nothing useful than to say nothing at all - I don’t think platitudes have ever screwed any player out of money.
For the players who say they’re ready, I can see it both ways. Just about every NBA team has at least a couple of roster spots currently filled by players less deserving than Carlos Powell and Desmon Farmer. But yes, they can always improve if they want to help their cause.
by richardhkirkando on Feb 18, 2025 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d probably have reacted less strongly (if at all) if I wasn’t so blown away with Williams’ response. It’s definitely not good for the other players to be contrasted against that.
And I disagree about Powell/Farmer being more deserving of roster spots than a couple players per team. They wouldn’t make my top 10 DLeague prospects list either.
by JoeTreutlein on Feb 18, 2025 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe - Thanks for the reply
I couldn’t DM you due to you not following me and I wasn’t sure if the listed email for hoopdata belonged to solely you or Haberstroh and Nolam as well. Also, you seemed fairly set on your twitter responses and didn’t respond to follow-up comments from D-League Digest, so I had assumed you had said what you planned to say.
Also, as far as this post being completely based your 140 character off-hand comments, it was initially set to point out Weinman’s great contributions and the fact that he interviewed so many players at the D-League Showcase. Once I was told about your tweets, however, I decided to expand.
Anyway, since I think you clarified yourself quite well, I’m not going to get into your response to individual players - will definitely agree with you on the Dar Tucker account, though.
What it comes down to though, as richardhkirkando pointed out, is that you seem to be quite a bit more into these comments than warranted. A well respected scout of your magnitude saying that you’d only call-up two of these players, solely based on how they respond to a simple question at the NBA’s All Star weekend, was a bit over the top and I assume many of your followers made what they assumed to be informed opinions after reading what you tweeted. To me, this seems unfair to the players and the league itself.
I realize I’m probably taking this a bit too far, but after being scrutinized by various players and agents for saying what I feel in relation to their call-up probability, I’m assuming that six straight tweets by someone much more respected than myself didn’t help their cause.
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by Scott Schroeder on Feb 18, 2025 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if it wasn’t clear, my responses are obviously skewed towards by scouting analysis of the players’ games. Some scouts could want to hear that Rob Kurz is working on being a more diverse scorer. It’s just not what I’d be looking for from him if I were considering him for a roster spot.
by JoeTreutlein on Feb 18, 2025 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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