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Nevada's Luke Babbitt Attempting to Prove Upside No Longer en Vogue

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Could Luke Babbitt be a top five player in this June's NBA Draft?

I've been working on preparing Ridiculous Upside's first NBA Mock Draft of the 2010 season (to be published Monday) by reading, watching and even listening to everything I can get a hold of on this year's NBA prospects.

Recently, I came across an article from ESPN's Ryen Russillo featuring Nevada sophomore Luke Babbitt that essentially said upside is no longer en vogue:

So why is Babbitt getting all this attention? One theory is that some NBA teams are starting to move away from the upside pick, because the person making the selection may not have enough job security to wait around.

"The lifespan of GMs has changed; you don't get to hang around and just fire coaches," the Western Conference GM says. "You've got three to five years to prove something or you're gone. Five years ago Babbitt would be, at best, a pick in the late 20s. You take him this year and you show your owner you've got a guy you can put on the floor right now."

This feels a bit too extreme of an adjustment for me.

While Babbitt was pretty productive at Nevada (21.9 points, 8.9 rebounds, 42% from beyond the arc), he's not exactly a can't miss prospect: Both DraftExpress and Chad Ford question who the 6-foot-9 forward will defend in the NBA as he's too slow to defend the 3 and not big enough to defend power forwards.   For what it's worth, DX ranks Babbitt as the 40th overall player in the draft while Ford has him at 24.

I understand teams not wanting to draft the next Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Korleone Young, Ousmane Cisse, Ndudi Ebi, Ricky Sanchez, DerMarr Johnson, Darko Milicic, Robert Swift or whomever else one might use an example of a player that was drafted based on potential as opposed to on-court production, but I don't think drafting a player based exclusively on college production is the wisest choice, either.

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Apparently some NBA scouts are advocating just that, however (per the same Russillo article):

Another factor in Babbitt's favor is that NBA coaches will want to take him over less productive college players.

"Babbitt will do really well in workouts, and this is where the coaches will get involved. What are you going to do, bring in Daniel Orton from Kentucky, who averaged three points per game, and have him work out with Babbitt, who has monster numbers, and then tell your coach you want to take Orton? What do you think he is going to say?"

Babbitt may not go in the top 10 on draft night, but a pick in the teens now seems more realistic than outside of the first round.

That's all fine and dandy, I guess, but if a coach is comparing the college stats from a kid that was a star on his WAC team with a player that was the backup freshman to a consensus top-5 pick, well, I'm not sure I really want that coach having a say in the war room.

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If your job depended on it, would you draft based more on production or potential?

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I voted potential, but I think it all depends where you’re slotted and how your team was configured. If you’re a championship contender with a fillable hole sitting at 25, you take Damion James. If you’re the Pacers without any chance of contending for years with the 10th pick, you go Hassan Whiteside.

I know it’s a bullshit answer but to pick just one is like, hey what would you rather have in a pizza — good cheese or good sauce? You gotta take both into account, especially with how you’re feeling pizza-wise that day. And if you have a date later, you don’t want to load up on good fart-inducing cheese. What was I talking about before pizza?

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 9:44 AM EDT reply actions

This seems more or less right to me

though I found myself reaching for the phone to call the pizza delivery place.

A guy like Babbit SHOULD go late in the draft to a good team, where he can just do what he does and his weaknesses get papered over by having better players around him. You always wonder how teams like San Antonio or whoever come up with these guys who help them, but the reason is that they are in position to use players with one or two skills, (Matt Bonner), whereas that player isn’t going to help the Timberwolves.

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by Eric in Madison on May 1, 2025 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions

I hate that you used San Antonio

They’re brilliant in the front office, but it seems things almost always go their way - and I’m jealous, especially now that it seems they’re going to get the guys filled with potential.
If Daniel Orton falls to them, Eric in Madison is to blame.

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by Scott Schroeder on May 1, 2025 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I get blamed for everything

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by Eric in Madison on May 1, 2025 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I'll agree with you

It probably depends more on draft slot than anything. I’m glad you’re smart.
I also attempted to word it so you wouldn’t have to just pick one - “would you drafted based more on production or potential” - because I realize you have to take both into consideration, but one could be more appealing. It basically comes down to if you’re scared of screwing up or if you trust yourself (and scouts).
Also, cheese no longer causes me to fart - but it did cause me to have my gall bladder removed.

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by Scott Schroeder on May 1, 2025 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Which is why if i had to go balls to the john walls, I’d pick potential. Especially on this site.

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I kinda go the opposite way

I look at it as if you keep buying lottery tickets in the lottery (sweet pun, I know) you’ll be in the lottery forever. But if you get a couple of really solid guys back to back years then you start to build a foundation.

But at the same time you’re never winning a title without a superstar, and you don’t get superstars that way.

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by fetch9 on May 1, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't lump Robert Swift with those players.

He was actually pretty good low post player but his terrible luck with injuries was brutal.

I would still choose potential. That player with the upside is more than capable of playing immediately and paying huge dividends in the future, while a player with college production can play immediately and produce much the same way as the player with potential. However, that player with the college production probably is who he is already and offers nothing more down the line. I’d still take potential. Teams just need to scout better.

by E-ROC on May 1, 2025 11:10 AM EDT reply actions

I guess I wasn't as familiar as I should've been with Swift

But seeing his size (height?) and knowing he came straight out of high school, I can’t imagine Seattle really drafted him just based on production at Bakersfield High.

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by Scott Schroeder on May 1, 2025 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Prediction: Luke Babbitt will not be a good NBA player.

by jsams on May 1, 2025 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

I might agree with that

If you wanted to go on things such as Chad Ford’s Positives and Negatives, I’d definitely agree with that:
Positives:

  1. Excellent perimeter shooter
  2. Good range on his jump shot
  3. High basketball IQ
  4. Good motor
  5. Some nice low-post moves on post-ups

Negatives:

  1. Not a great athlete
  2. Who will he defend in the pros?
  3. Lacks the size to play the 4
  4. Lacks the lateral quickness to guard 3s

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by Scott Schroeder on May 1, 2025 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

You just described Adam Morrison. I’d rather have Jimmer than Luke.

by jsams on May 1, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Lucky for me, I’m a general manager so I can make the right decision.

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I think he could develop into Hedo-lite, basically what Hedo was like before he broke out for 4-5 years. I’m a Babbitt fan. Or a Babbittite.

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions

jsams, I just noticed that your profile pick is that of Hassan Whiteside

That guy is all potential (or at least it seems), but his bust potential is pretty low. At best, he’s Marcus Camby, and at worst he’s like Joel Pryzbilla

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by LACK on May 1, 2025 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I’d say at best, he’s Andrew Bynum. Worst would be Kwame Brown. Przybilla is a much better rebounder/defense player than Whiteside. He’s also got 3 inches on him.

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions

All potential my man. I love me some potential.

by jsams on May 1, 2025 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

It's mostly dependent on the player, I would think.

There are examples on both sides of “good college players” who either succeeded or failed as pros. The good: Shane Battier, J.J. Redick, the Lopez brothers, maybe Chris Duhon? The bad: Adam Morrison, the Collins brothers, maybe Chris Duhon?

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by Jon L on May 1, 2025 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

What's the difference between Group A and Group B?

It seems like a crap shoot, given those examples. Same with potential, true, but I think the higher ceiling helps a bit.

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by Scott Schroeder on May 1, 2025 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

It's probably less of a crap shoot

and more dependent on the individual player putting in the work to stick in the NBA. Battier focused on knowing absolutely everything about his opponents’ tendencies in order to become a better defender, while Redick worked on his conditioning and ball-handling (I think?). Adam Morrison worked on his mustache.

I guess it is kind of a crap shoot in being able to determine which players are going to want to put in the work once they get to the NBA, but that’s true of every player, not just those with potential vs. a proven body of work.

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by Jon L on May 1, 2025 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

The scary thing about the Tskitishvili pick...

Was that Kiki Vandeweghe actually believed that the guy could contribute right away and be the next Dirk Nowitzki.

Luke Babbitt is a good player, but he’s most likely going in the second roung

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2025 8:47 PM EDT reply actions

I haven’t seen Babbit play, but that profile looks an awful lot like Ryan Anderson, but in a lesser conference, and Anderson has been perpetually underestimated since leaving high school.

Anywho, as for the question at hand, my problem with answering “potential” is that it implies a process dependent on the evaluator’s imagination. When you’re talking about “potential”, that usually means you’re talking about what you imagine that player to eventually be. Among many issues, I’d guess that such evaluations are relentlessly optimistic. No one will ever say a lottery pick is the “next Anthony Parker”. They’ll say that guy is the next Iguodala, or, if they’re being pessimistic, they’ll pick a better-known name and say he’ll be the next Raja Bell.

We don’t have to use only stats to evaluate players — visual observation can produce factually based information, too — but I’d rather my team draft players based on who’s better right now, however they measure that. Don’t guess that a player has the capacity to someday be better than a guy who is unequivocally better than him today.

by David Arnott on May 1, 2025 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

Anderson is bigger, with better rebounding ability, and not as much offensive createability. Plus he ain’t got no Luke Babbitt hair.

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 1, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Here's my question - how long are the rookie contracts?

Do you think it’ll take 4 years for a guy to develop? Then you better be sure he’s still on your team in years 5, 6, 7 when it pays off. No point in dropping the pick, the roster spot, the cash, the cap space, and the coaching time on a guy if it’s all for nothing when he’s on your rival’s team by the time he’s actually good.

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by Jack Moore on May 2, 2025 12:46 AM EDT reply actions

First round picks get two-year contracts with team options for the third and fourth years.
Second round picks get unguaranteed deals.

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by Jon L on May 2, 2025 4:42 AM EDT reply actions


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