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Updating the D-League "Hybrid Affiliation"

As we touched on the other day, the NBA seems to be ready to start using the D-League a little bit more, by going to a hybrid affiliation, where an NBA team will be able to buy the basketball operations side of a D-League team with incurring the business expenses of the off-court product. Marc Stein, in today's Weekend Dime, updates us a bit further on this development.

The NBA team must make a three year commitment when doing this, which equates to a potential investment of $1.2 million.  Another new aspect in Stein's article says that the NBA will also be in charge of absorbing all travel cost, which explains the $400,000 per year investment.

The cost involved in running all levels of a D-League franchise, by contrast, was estimated by one Western Conference executive as "a million-dollar loss for one year."

Wow.  

Other interesting bits in Stein's article are as follows:

Our initial quickie poll of a handful of teams, however, suggests that only a few NBA clubs are expected to take advantage of the new model, even though the push for this option came from the teams as opposed to the league office in recent months. The deterrant is the mandatory three-year commitment which makes it a potential investment of $1.2 million. As one East exec noted: "This couldn't come at a worse time economically. I love the idea and we'll look at it, but [it's] hard to stomach more costs for most teams now."

The economy question makes sense, but as commenter hkf pointed out yesterday, "...in a league where Beno Udrih got 30 million over 5 years, I am not sure how NBA teams could balk at 900K to 1.2 million over 3 years to run a competent minor league operation."  +1 for RidiculousUpside.
I've been led to believe that NBA teams would jump at greater D-League participation if, like their baseball brethren, they held more player rights to minor leaguers. Only affiliated players who are sent down from the NBA on assignment belong to their parent clubs baseball-style... 
"All things being equal, it's better to do it than not do it," one West exec said of buying into the new hybrid model. "You get first-hand knowledge of the players. You get to hire the coaches. You get to put in your own offensive and defensive systems.

"But it's a massive difference from baseball when you don't get to control player rights. What are you really getting? The Lakers or the Spurs could develop a guy in their D-League program and we can sign him if he's not [on their NBA roster]."

Excellent point.  I would have assumed that would be the case for this hybrid system, but if it's not, I guess I'm not as pro-hybrid as I thought.  Regardless, I think this is a great system, and can't wait to see who jumps on the opportunity first!  I wonder who will try it first... Any guesses?

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Boston might consider doing it with the new Maine team, since that team is starting from scratch. Maybe it could be a pilot program, so to speak, for the hybrid affiliation.

by bluejayrock on Mar 7, 2025 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

That was my assumption as well

I’m not sure how well this will work for veteran teams. The Wizards, for example, returned seven players this season. Several of them aren’t necessarily NBA prospects. I wonder how the fans would react to this, if the parent club decides to go in a complete opposite direction. If somebody tried this with the Wizards, where they have a Wizards legends at both coaching spots, a trainer that’s been with the team forever, and players that have been around for up to five previous seasons, I think it could get ugly if the new administration comes in and tries bringing their guys in at all of these positions.
This, in turn, would hurt the business ops side, as tickets won’t be sold like they were when the familiar faces were in town.

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 7, 2025 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

San Antonio

This seems like something the Spurs would be all over. They’re too smart not to do it. PS you forgot a “b” in “hybrid” in sentence #2.

by JRose on Mar 7, 2025 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

The Spurs

Already own the Toros. So yes, they were all over it.
As far my typo, consider it fixed.

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 7, 2025 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Did not know that

Thanks for educating me! This is why I love this site.

by JRose on Mar 7, 2025 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Other teams

Include Oklahoma City, who owns the Tulsa 66ers, and Los Angeles, who owns Los Angeles.

Glad you like the site. Tell your friends!

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 7, 2025 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think ownership makes sense for certain teams...

OKC is smart for owning Tulsa because Clay Bennett wants to be the sole provider of pro basketball in the state of Oklahoma. They are probably going to change the name of the 66ers some time soon, as well as the logo and colors of OKC once they fully develop their franchise in the community.

As for the Spurs, ownership makes sense because they want a permanent footprint in Austin. Austin was kind of a half-Spurs, half-Mavs town, but with the Toros there, over time the kids going to Toros games are going to grow up Spurs fans.

As for the Lakers, their biggest problem is that they are kind of half-hearted operating the D-League. Citizen’s Bank Arena is beautiful and I have heard they are going to play there next year, but for some reason I am skeptical. They have played a home game in the South Bay this year and something tells me they are going to continue playing in the Staples which is stupid, because there are many people in the Inland Empire who would watch the D-Fenders.

Now when it comes to Hybrid-affiliation, yes anyone can be signed off your roster, but it seems so many people are impatient. They are not going to change the way you can sign players until each team has an affiliate. It’s not fair to let the Spurs, Thunder and Lakers hold the rights to all their players, while other teams are sharing affiliates.

When the league gets a one to one relationship, then you will be able to hold the rights to all the players on the D-League roster. Until that day comes, the NBA should not change the way they do the affiliates.

The upside here is that once teams go for this hybrid affiliation, then more D-League franchises will pop sooner because this can be negotiated by local ownership groups with the NBA franchises within close proximity. The shared costs of developing your future 11th to 15th men for much cheaper than paying guys like Kenny Thomas 8 million a year to sit in street clothes is the selling point.

Maybe the right answer is that NBA executives shouldn’t be former players. Most of these guys have zero business acumen and yet they are given the keys to basketball operations, but that’s another subject altogether.

by hkf on Mar 7, 2025 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

I see no reason why a team should pay money to have their coaches in place, their players in place, yet still not be able to hold the rights to these players. I agree that if a team is paying $ for this team, they deserve the rights to these players.

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 8, 2025 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The League is not going to do that though

They aren’t going to give a small group of teams a competitive advantage over another. Not until there are 30 teams.

by hkf on Mar 8, 2025 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not

But I think that would make this look MUCH more appealing to an NBA team. As mentioned in the story, why pay for a team to develop players if anyone can then call him up?

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 8, 2025 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scott-

Great find.. this is certainly one of the most interesting things to come out of the D-League front office in the last few years. While I haven’t heard anything specific I will give my opinion’s on teams where this “Hybrid Affiliation” (Which by the way is a dumb term in my opinion) makes sense.

Utah Flash- Utah Jazz

They are pretty much doing this already. There are Jazz people at Flash games every night. They have been extremely acitve with assignments and SLC is just up the road. The Jazz are king in Utah and while Mr. Anderson over in Utah has a lot of money, I bet he would love to take a huge chunk of his budget off of the books. Expect this one to happen.

Maine Red Claws…I love that name.. but would have preferred Shamrocks - Boston Cetlics.

Come on..do I need to really go into detail here. This is pretty obvious, they are going to decide this team’s coach already. We have seen the Celts use the D-League already and the Celtics like to be hands on. I say this is also very likely.

Erie BayHawks - Cleveland Cavaliers

This is basically happening now much like Utah. The Cavs basically built this team. Wes Wilcox (Cleveland Advance Scout) is always with this team. The Cavs were heavily involved in getting this team in Erie, picking John Treloar as the Coach and building the team with their basketball mindset. This one is also likely.

I would expect expansion teams to fit this model moving forward until we get to a one to one affiliation. But by then the CBA will be changed and we might see an extra round to the draft etc., but of course that is a long ways off.

Alex Del Barrio
RGV Vipers

by vipersradio on Mar 8, 2025 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm

ADB,
You know I respect pretty much everything you do, even if you didn’t comment on my call-up post about you.

Regardless, I don’t know if Erie is the greatest team to put with this mold. I just don’t see Cleveland all that interested in the D-League. They don’t really have a legit NBA prospect, save for Erik Daniels, who is playing the 5 as a 6’8" wingman. They’ve already released Vernon Hamilton, who was in Cavs camp, and I don’t really see Treloar as an NBA coach.

Regardless, it would make sense for mostly expansion teams to use this model, as the established teams will make it a bit chaotic.

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 8, 2025 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Guilty as charged-

I just felt a little Erie..(get the D-League joke there) about commenting about a story about me :). But the extra pub was appreciated, especially since the D-League didn’t think it was important enough to put on their site. But oh well.

As for Erie…It’s no secret around D-League circles how close the Cavs are to this team. Remember, the Cavs have used the D-League before. They were our affiliate last year and they sent Shannon Brown to the showcase where he flourished and earned decent trade value. They also sent Cedric Simmons down. While neither are with their organization anymore, they do utilize the D-League.. and do care about getting more involved.

Just because their minor league coach isn’t an NBA coach doesn’t mean they don’t like what he can bring. Just look at Panaggio over in LA. Long time minor league coach but fits in over there. They liked Treloar that’s why they hired him. It was Erie ownership that did, who are by the way Cavs season ticket holders.

Remember your NBA roster mandates how much you use the D-league. If there are no young players on your roster you have no one to send to the D-League. Plus remember as an expanson team in the D-League, the amount of players you have the rights to is severely limited. Unlike Idaho who gets players when they come back from overseas or weigh their options to just play in the D-League.

Erie hasn’t made a whole ton of moves this year and while they don’t really have a legit NBA prospect it doesn’t mean the Cavs aren’t heavily interested in what they do. The Cavs need for that team to do well since Erie is part of their fan base too. So even just winning (without any NBA prospects) helps the Cavs out too, because it keeps the interest on basketball in an outlying Cavs community.

Alex Del Barrio
RGV Vipers

by vipersradio on Mar 8, 2025 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

Interesting how Alex has all the answers to the way our team will be run in Maine. I do not remember discussing it with him. Just to set the record straight, I will consult with our NBA affiliates on coaching, etc, but ultimately those decisions will be made by our franchise. As I said today in the Boston Globe, we will run our principle affiliates’s offense and defense and integrate their strength and conditioning programs. I think my 14 years in the NBA as a coach and scouting director qualifies me to do some things.

Jon Jennings
President/GM
NBA Maine Basketball

by JPJ Maine on Mar 8, 2025 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm

Interesting comments and great to hear from you Mr. Jennings. I would agree that you’re certainly qualified to run your team, but does that mean if the Celtics were to pay you $400,000 a season that you wouldn’t give them the opportunity to run the basketball operations?
Seems to me that it would be a nice little boost for a franchise, especially one that is just beginning.

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 8, 2025 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Jennings:

Did not mean to say that you or anyone within your organization is incapable of making those types of decisions. If that’s the way the comment was perceived, I apologize. The purpose of Scott’s post and the, the commentary thereafter, is to discuss teams where this makes sense.

Based on my travels in the D-League and the people that I have talked to since this Hybrid model started becoming tossed about have discussed several teams. NEVER has Portland been mentioned. In my opinion (which is all a comment on these blogs are) it would make a whole ton of sense for the Maine franchise to partner up with the Celtics. The Celtics obviously use the D_League and have had a great partnership with the Flash. Because of geographic proximity, the fan base, and other obvious reasons it makes sense for the CELTICS to do this. I didn’t say there were any discussions or ANYTHING. Just that it would be fantastic to kick off the new model with the Maine franchise.

I did not mean any disrespect to you or your organization. I went to school in New England, attended many Celtics games, and one of your front office folks worked here in RGV as you know and think you couldn’t have made a better hire.

Let me reiterate to RU readers. My post is strictly an opinion of what I think should happen. Not what will happen.

Mr. Jennings my apologies again.

-ADB
-Adb

Alex Del Barrio
RGV Vipers

by vipersradio on Mar 8, 2025 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh?

I took all of your posts on here as gospel!!

Previous comments as follows: I wonder if VP is a fan of the blog? I know ADB is!! Keep it up Scott
                                                          Hey Scott… I know im not the best looking guy in the world.. but how did I become linked to Coby Karl?

This makes me think you know what you’re talking about. RidiculousUpside is great and you know your not the best looking guy in the world. If there are two truer things on Earth, I’ve not encountered them yet!!

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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 8, 2025 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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