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Detroit Pistons: Rookie Depth Chart Battles

Over the next couple of months, I will be a writing a series of articles exploring the depth charts of NBA teams, and more specifically, where the rookies from the 2011 draft fit into those depth charts. Thanks to MTD for the idea. Also, for the sake of my sanity, I will be writing as if there will actually be a season this year.

Previous Installments: Cleveland, Minnesota, Utah, Washington, Charlotte
Just a few short years ago, the Detroit Pistons were amongst the NBA's elite, perennial playoff contenders. Now they find themselves in the midst of a massive rebuild. Saddled with a couple of bad contracts, the only way to get back to where they were is to have patience and build through the draft. And that is exactly what they are doing.

As a reminder, the Pistons' rookies include Brandon Knight out of Kentucky, Duke's Kyle Singler and Florida's Vernon Macklin.

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#8 - Brandon Knight

  • Position: Guard
  • Measurables: 6'3" 177 lbs
  • 2010-2011 Statistics: 17.3 ppg, 42.3 fg%, 37.7 3fg%, 79.5 ft%, 4.2 apg, 4 rpg, 3.2 topg, 35.9 mpg

After taking a big man early in the 2010 NBA Draft (Greg Monroe), Joe Dumars and the Detroit front office decided to add talent to their backcourt with their 2011 lottery pick. Brandon Knight is a talented player, but like most of the guards already on the roster, he is more of a combo-guard than a true point.

Strengths/Weaknesses breakdown via Draft Express.

 

DET Guard Depth Chart: Rodney Stuckey (PG/SG, RFA), Will Bynum (PG), Tracy McGrady (PG/SG, FA), Richard Hamilton (SG), Ben Gordon (SG), Terrico White (PG/SG, RFA)

Three years ago, Detroit had to decide whether they were going to keep the veteran Chauncey Billups or move forward with the young Rodney Stuckey. They chose youth over experience and Stuckeybecame the man at point guard. After a less-than-stellar three years, Detroit again faces a similar decision as Stuckey is a restricted free agent. Stuckey's potential could lure in a couple teams, and if a team offers him a long-term contract worth starter money, Detroit would be wise to let him go.

Will Bynum is an offensive spark of the bench who always seems to make something happen when he's on the court. He's a solid back-up point guard.

Tracy McGrady signed a one-year deal with the Pistons in order to show that he still had something to offer teams. He played well enough to earn a look from playoff teams in need of guard depth.

Ben Gordon is one of those bad contracts mentioned in the intro. He is, however, a proven scorer and because of that he will get his playing time.

Rip Hamilton is a long-time Piston, but after some conflicts with the organization this past season, it's time for him to move on. Detroit should be looking hard as soon as the lockout ends to find an interested team, and a trade should be made either before the season or by the deadline.

Terrico White is a young combo-guard that will likely be retained as a developmental prospect to fill out the roster.

Knight's place on the roster: The Stuckey decision could mean a twenty minute per game swing in Knight's playing time as a rookie. If Stuckey returns, Knight will be slotted as his back-up getting perhaps ten to fifteen minutes per game. A small backcourt with the two playing together is a possibility as well, as Stuckey is 6'5" and Knight's shooting ability would compliment Stuckey's penetration well.

Knight still has a long way to go as a point guard. His ball-handling, shot-selection, and ability to draw fouls all need serious improvement. He is probably best served to play a back-up role as a rookie while he learns to play the position from an experienced veteran. The issue here is that Stuckey is far from an ideal mentor for a young player in Knight's situation.

In this situation, it might be for the best to let someone else over-pay for Stuckey and give Knight a chance to prove himself. Although he still has a long way to go in order to shake the combo-guard label, he did improve his point skills at Kentucky as the season played out. Give Knight the starting role and allow him to learn on the job.

Expectation: My expectation is that Stuckey departs and Knight is named the opening-day starter. However, he will be splitting time with Will Bynum as he grows into his role. 12-14 ppg, 3-5 apg, and 2-3 topg in 28-30 mpg. Having said this, Joe Dumars is sure to re-sign Stuckey to a big deal and bury Knight on the bench.

 

#33 - Kyle Singler

  • Position: Small Forward
  • Measurables: 6'9" 228 lbs
  • 2010-2011 Statistics: 16.9 ppg, 43 fg%, 32.1 3fg%, 80.6 ft%, 6.8 rpg, 34.8 mpg

Detroit used the first of their two second round draft picks on Kyle Singler. Singler is one of the most experienced players taken in the draft after staying at Duke for all four years and helping to lead his team to a 2010 NCAA title and two Sweet Sixteen appearances.

Video by DukeBluePlanet

 

DET Small Forward Depth Chart: Tayshaun Prince (SF, FA), Jonas Jerebko (SF/PF, RFA), Austin Daye (SF), DaJuan Summers (SF, RFA)

Tayshaun Prince is another hold-over from the 2005 title team, and just like his teammate Hamilton, it is time for him to move on. He is a free agent and every contender with a hole on the wing should come calling.

Jonas Jerebko was a pleasant surprise for Detroit as a rookie in 2009-2010 before missing last season with an achilles injury. He split his court time between the two forward spots in his first season, but he has reportedly put on twenty pounds of muscle. That added weight should help him to hold his ground in the post, but it may slow him down and limit his ability to defend on the perimeter. If he has managed to maintain his mobility he will likely get a chance to earn the starting small forward spot.

Austin Daye is the other player that figures to get a shot at Prince's vacated spot in the starting line-up. The sharp-shooting wing from Gonzaga will be moving into his third year in the league, and the Pistons are hoping the enigmatic young man can take a big step forward.

DaJuan Summers has signed with a team overseas and will not be back.

Singler's place on the roster: Singler will not play a big role in his rookie season. However, if he can consistently knock down shots he could get some back-up minutes at the three.

Expectation: Singler will replace Summers and fill basically the same role. He could see a few more minutes if he is able to impress, however. 3-5 ppg and 1-3 rpg in 7-9 mpg.

 

#52 - Vernon Macklin

  • Position: Forward/Center
  • Measurables: 6'10" 243 lbs
  • 2010-2011 Statistics: 11.6 ppg, 59.3 fg%, 45.1 ft%, 5.4 rpg, 24.5 mpg

The Pistons rounded out their draft by using the third and final pick on the 24-year-old big man from Florida, Vernon Macklin. Despite his age, Macklin still has some potential due to his athleticism and length and could very easily make the roster.

DET Forward/Center Depth Chart: Greg Monroe (PF/C), Jonas Jerebko (SF/PF), Charlie Villanueva (PF), Jason Maxiell (PF), Ben Wallace (C), Chris Wilcox (PF/C, FA)

Greg Monroe is the team's lottery pick from 2010 who played very well despite not getting consistent playing time nor being featured on offense as much as he could have been. Detroit will be looking for him step up and take on a bigger role as a sophomore.

Jonas Jerebko, as has been discussed above, has put on some muscle and could be playing more at the four this year.

Charlie Villanueva is the other bad contract anchoring the Pistons. He has been very disappointing during his first two seasons in Detroit, but he will continue to get some playing time at power forward.

Jason Maxiell is an energy big off the bench, and will be Macklin's primary competition.

Ben Wallace is still manning the middle for  Detroit, but his minutes will likely continue to decrease this season.

Chris Wilcox is a free agent who likely won't get much attention from other teams. But Wilcox was a serviceable big for the Pistons and a return to Detroit is likely.

Macklin's place on the roster: Macklin was somewhat of an underachiever during his time in college. But he has NBA-level physical tools and a fairly reliable right handed hook shot, which should be enough to get him on the roster so the Pistons can take a look at him.

Expectation: Macklin makes the roster but does not suit up on most game days. An injury could give him a chance to impress, however. 2-4 ppg and 1-3 rpg in 6-8 mpg.

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When I look at this team I see a team in transition with some nice talent

I don’t see a stud however. This team needs to suck one more year and this time suck really bad in order to get a bigtime player high in the draft. An elite wing would be ideal and its going to be a good draft for that next yr. Pistons fans have to have patience though…

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

by Dutch Hoopfan on Aug 28, 2025 5:39 AM EDT reply actions  

“Greg Monroe is the team’s lottery pick from 2010 who struggled with inconsistency as a rookie.”

Consistency was never the problem with Monroe. If anything was inconsistent for him, it was his usage early in the season. By January, he earned starters minutes and kept them through April. After the all-star break, he averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block while shooting 58% from the floor. Rookie or vet, those are remarkable numbers in just 32-33 minutes per game.

Digging a little deeper with the advanced stats, the picture is even prettier. Monroe put up such solid, consistent numbers while being one of Detroit’s lowest usage players. Detroit’s offense was at its best when he was on the floor (he led the team in Offensive Rating), the team’s defense was at its best when he or Wallace were on the floor (the pair led the team in Defensive Rating), and no Piston had as large an offense/defense rating margin and as much of an impact for the team.

Last, he may have been one of the most mistake-free rookie bigs of all time. I wrote an article about that back in March discussing Greg Monroe’s lack of turnovers and personal fouls.

The guy was pretty unreal during his rookie season, and few outside of Detroit saw just how remarkable this subtle star was and will be in the future.

"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."

by Mike Payne on Aug 28, 2025 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

So Kuester was the one that was inconsistent, and Monroe was just solid whenever he got the chance.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 28, 2025 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

It’s a shared issue to start. Kuester wasn’t confident in Monroe until January, and should he have been? Dude was a rookie and he had some issues in the first few weeks of his rookie season. Ultimately, Monroe could have been the primary offensive unit on the team, but Kuester continued to push the offense through Prince, who us fans nicknamed “Isolayshaun” (a DBB centerpiece named Kriz nick’d that one). The O game was pretty predictable— pass the ball to Tay, burn 10 seconds of shot clock, attempt an ISO play. If Detroit had used Monroe, who came with a passing game out-of-the-box, he might have pushed Blake Griffin for Rookie of the Year. But if Blake hadn’t missed that first season, I’d love to see someone try to argue with objective measures that Monroe wasn’t the best rookie last season.

"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."

by Mike Payne on Aug 29, 2025 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This, 100%

Monroe stunk it up early, like lots of rookies do, and his coach didn’t play him as a result.
Monroe will brilliant leading up to the All Star gaming and after it, and Kuester rewarded him with minuets.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

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by brgulker on Aug 29, 2025 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better?

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 28, 2025 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those numbers look impressive

But I always question good efficiency with low usage. If you don’t shoot much, you probably only take wide open shots or bunny’s. If you don’t have the ball as much to begin with and are not relied upon to make a play, you’re not gonna turn it over very often.

Don’t get me wrong, his numbers are what they are and they are very good. He just isn’t a 1a or even a 2a player on a good team. He could be very serviceable, as the third or fourth best player on a team, the teams needs studs to go with the nice talent they already have imho.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Aug 29, 2025 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just isn’t a 1a or even a 2a player on a good team

Based on what logic? If you increase Monroe’s usage, yes, his scoring efficiency will drop and his turnover rates will increase. There will also be an increase in scoring average, where 14 points can become 18 points with three or four more attempts per game. With Monroe’s knack for passing, 3 or 4 assists are in the range of possibility. If he can maintain his rebound rates and steal/block numbers, he could put up 18 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and a block on 52% shooting if given 36 minutes in his sophomore season.

Defensively, Monroe had trouble with iso/post plays, but showed promise on team defense. He’s a very smart kid, and he showed a lot of awareness in the playmaking of the opposition. His best defensive performance is on pick-and-rolls, for example. If Frank can build a better team defense around Monroe, he could become a serious force on both ends of the court. Yes, he needs to be paired with an above-the-rim/shot-blocker type, but he has established the rookie performance that is suggestive of potential franchise talent.

He just isn’t a 1a or even a 2a player on a good team

By what objective measure do you say this? Even from a subjective means, it doesn’t sound like you watched Monroe’s rookie season in Detroit.

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by Mike Payne on Aug 29, 2025 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand while some people are skeptical about the usage/efficiency conversation, but to be suspect of Monroe on those lines reveals that you obviously didn’t watch him play, and you haven’t done much to look at his numbers closely.

Monroe is already a walking double double. Those types of players are few and far between. They’re rare, extremely so. Being a walking double double makes you among the best players in the entire game at your position.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

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by brgulker on Aug 29, 2025 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I only saw a handfull of his games, that's true

I’ll eat my words if he turns out to be a 1a star. What I’ve seen though don’t wow me as much as it did for you guys.

I’ve seen about as much Monroe as I saw Cousins last yr (Im a Wizards fan btw) and the raw talent of cousins impressed me more than Monroe did, though Cousins wasnt in the same postal code as Monroe in terms of production last season. Monroe is the safer bet to become a (very) good player while Cousins could flop altogether but he has the potential to be a true superstar. I think that’s the best way I can explain this.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Aug 29, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair enough

Cousins’ ceiling is higher, for sure. But he’s unrealized, totally raw, and just as likely to bust as otherwise.

Monroe, by contrast, was putting up double doubles routinely as a twenty year old. Just because he did it under the radar and without a lot of flash doesn’t mean he’s not a 16/10 guy… and 16/10 guys, regardless of how flashy they are, are extraordinarily valuable players.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

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by brgulker on Aug 29, 2025 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I’ve seen though don’t wow me as much as it did for you guys.

And he won’t wow you— that’s not his style of play. You’ll watch a game, think Monroe did very well, then look at the box score and he’ll have put up 20 and 10. The guy is sneaky good, with the same on/off-court demeanor of a Tim Duncan. (I’m not comparing the two as talents, only their demeanor). You won’t see dynamite dunks, you won’t see high-flying above-the-basket play. But if you’re in-the-know, watching the kid is fascinating. His mechanics, his timing, his court awareness and fluidity in the post is just so cerebral and efficient. It is a joy to watch for the basketball aficionado.

"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."

by Mike Payne on Aug 30, 2025 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Singlers'playing in Europe now

So he does not have to worry about anything. the Pistons really need to find a way to get rrid of the dead weight contracts in ben gordon, Charlie V. and Rip hamilton. That’s what really holding Detroit back in my opinion.

by Jeffrey Thompson on Aug 28, 2025 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 29, 2025 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minor correction, Terrico White is a guard, not a forward. He shares many of the strengths and weaknesses of Knight and Stuckey, and to an extent Bynum, but with much less potential. Personally, I don’t expect White to stick.

The Pistons should look to move Bynum if Stuckey returns. He deserves the chance to play somewhere, and his contract should be easy to move. Either as a sweetener or on its own, Bynum should be easy to move and should bring back some value.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Aug 29, 2025 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

D'oh!

The forward bit was a typo. Thanks. I didn’t see a bunch of him, but unless he was a complete disappointment I don’t see why they would let him go. You need someone to fill out the roster, and losing Stuckey would leave you with just 2 PGs.

Yeah, I’d feel bad if Bynum got buried on the bench again after showing he has what it takes to be a rotation players.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 29, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: White, I didn’t necessarily mean about this year. Sure, roster filler is fine. I was thinking long-term NBA. I think the odds are against it.

But, if a trade happens, and someone needs to get cut to take back players, it’s White.

"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."

@brgulker

by brgulker on Aug 29, 2025 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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