What Separates NBA Players from Non-NBA Players?
What is the single most common attribute that fringe players lack that NBA players have? Ben from Blazers Edge posed this very question yesterday afternoon, with varied responses. Go over there and read all of the comments, but I've taken those that seem to make the most sense and broken them down here for you, loyal reader.
- A niche is what everyone is told in the D-League - "Just concentrate on doing one thing well and you'll get a call-up." Rod Benson averaged over 12 boards last season and hasn't seen an NBA contract yet. Stephane Lasme was the Defensive Player of the Year last year, yet he's somewhere overseas this season.
- Every basketball player has some sort of athletic ability. Very few though, will be able to make an NBA career simply because they're more athletic than the other nine players on the court. The majority of players in the NBA simply via their athleticism are drafted into the NBA, so they've got to work off that opportunity to round out their game in the big leagues. There aren't very many 25 year old athletes that the NBA is looking at.
- Basketball IQ is so hard to measure, so I'm not sure that alone can be used to separates players from the NBA and the non-NBA. There are plenty of basketball players well aware of how to play basketball, but simply don't have the size,athleticsm, height, and opportunity. I'd think a player like Walker Russell Jr., whose father (now a Knicks scout) and uncle (Campy Russell) both have lengthy experience in the NBA would mean that Russell has a high basketball IQ. His 10.8 assists per game this season would seem to indicate I'm right, but regardless, no looks for WRJ.
- Scoring ability is something I've argued over there in the comments about a bit already, so I won't get too in-depth here. Scoring ability alone is not going to get anybody a look if they're trying to make the NBA. Summing it up, here's a brief conversation between myself and BEdger TwoDeep: TD: Ability to score! Against bonafide NBA players that is. Not D-Leaguers or summer leaguers. We’re not talking about just shooters here …. we’re talking about those with that innate ability to score. RS: So you have to play in the NBA to make an NBA team? Sounds easy enough.. TD: "Ability" to score against NBA'ers.. RS: How do you show that? You’d have to be playing in the NBA to show that you have the ability score against NBA’ers if you’re discounting the D-League and Summer League…
- Height: It's true that many players are drafted based simply on height. This attribute, however, isn't going to get anyone into the NBA if they're not drafted. If that was the case, Aristide Sawadogo should be in the NBA.
- Work ethic: This would seem to make sense, but it doesn't. I don't know how it's possible that players in the D-League, playing for $15,000 a season toa make it to the NBA can be considered to have a lesser work ethic than an NBA player that was handed millions of dollars straight out of college.
- A wicked jump shot what was one of the options. I thought wicked went out of style a long time ago, but keep it alive, Portland. Anyway, Blake Ahearn has the best jumper in the D-League. He probably has a better shot than 95% of the players in the NBA. Yet he still ended up playing in the D-League this season.
The one thing that separates NBA players from non-NBA players is opportunity. In the D-League, there are many players that have shown they can play well. Players have all of the skills mentioned, but very few of them get a look in the NBA, at least during the regular season. Some don't even get a look in the off-season. Fact of the matter is, if a player isn't given the opportunity straight out college by getting drafted, he's facing a tough up-hill battle to make it to the NBA.
I've highlighted a couple of players after the jump that simply haven't been given an opportunity, but do certainly deserve at least a look from the NBA.
For Othyus Jeffers, his coming out of an NAIA school (along with other things in his past) didn't get him noticed until the end of the D-League season. Does this mean he wasn't talented enough to play in the NBA last season? No, it just means that he wasn't invited to showcase his abilities coming of Robert Morris-Chicago. He has athleticism, heart, speed, swagger, stick-to-it-iveness and length. That's six different things that people mentioned that make non-NBA players NBA players. Yet he's not (yet) an NBA player.
For Will Frisby, I have no idea what's keeping him out of the NBA. It's simply opportunity. At Miami, Frisby started 23 games for the Hurricanes in the ACC, with his best scoring game coming against Duke (18) and his best rebounding performance coming against a Luke Schenscher led Georgia Tech (13). Surely this would get him a look, but it didn't. Next, he played well overseas for a season, but this didn't get him a look. The past two seasons, he's went rather unnoticed in Dakota, but he has been noticed by other teams. He can score, but has been the fourth or fifth option on a good team his entire career. He has a great work ethic, as he's consistently the first player on the court before games. He knows the game. He's a great guy. Yet still, he hasn't even had an offer for a tryout with an NBA team this offseason.
For Lanny Smith, it simply comes down to injury problems. After breaking his foot his original senior season, he just hasn't had the opportunity to play at the level he can play at since. "The doctors told me I would never be the same player and might not play again after I broke my foot. I like proving people wrong.... I still got a little ways to go til I'm back 2 being the player I was before the injury. but I'm definitely on my way. LBOOGIE is coming." It's not easy to come back from what could have been a career-ending injury, but Smith is on his way. As soon as he's completely healthy, it won't be surprising to see him on an NBA roster.
If he's given the opportunity.
Comments
Basketball IQ is one aspect where a lot of D-Leaguers might have an advantage over NBA fringe players. Playing lots of minutes every day gets you further than sitting on the bench and getting a few garbage minutes a week. I would have loved to have seen Joe Alexander in the D-League this past season - instead, he rotted on the bench, and because of that he’s going to continue looking like a guy who just started playing basketball last week.
But yes, opportunity is the huge thing. The D-League is a great resource that still isn’t quite utilised properly by NBA teams. I’d really like to see some GM of a rebuilding franchise raid the D-League instead of signing the same retread 30yo stiffs - I’ll bet the results would surprise a few people. Not every prospect will work out, but the ones who stick will open some eyes.
by richardhkirkando on May 13, 2025 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's all I'm saying
I almost used Bill Simmons “No Balls Association.” It’s crazy that people think 30 year-old retreads are going to be just as successful as hungry young guys working to fulfill their dreams.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice rundown
I definitely agree that opportunity is the biggest thing separating D-League guys from NBA guys. I really do wonder sometimes how many NBA teams pay attention to the D-League and scout players, because when most of the players get signed it’s for training camp or Summer League only, then they never get a shot at a roster spot.
To pick a often-used (or well-known) example, the knock on Rod Benson was probably his frame (ignoring the blogging aspect), wasn’t it? But NBA teams take chances all the times on guys with similar builds who haven’t yet shown a commitment to improving it, and then sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. Too many teams would rather sign or trade for a guy like Jerome James thinking he’ll be able to give them 15 or 20 and 10, then he gets on their roster, they realize he doesn’t care so he doesn’t play at all. Meanwhile there are plenty of big men playing in the D-League who, while they may not give you 20/10, will at least give you something rather than the DNPs you’re getting from James.
And no offense to Michael Dickerson, who could’ve had a decent career if not for injuries, but…I hope Memphis signs some D-League guys over him.
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by Jon L on May 13, 2025 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben has his follow-up post on BE, too, reviewing the draft workout and commenting on what is missing
I put in a comment about a draft hopeful who probably will have to fight hard to even make the D-League, much less the NBA. Margin of error and difference in skills between those players is small but ultimately stands out to good scouts. And then there is the problem to get the opportunity to even get noticed as I commented in the first post.
And then GM’s tend to go with the “safe” veteran over the young unproven player, as e.g. the Magic have demonstrated again this season when they traded for aging Lue (but hey, he did play in the playoffs for a few minutes). Or when guys like Jamaal Magloire still take up roster spots based on past glory days.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/12/873570/draft-workouts-report
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by Norsktroll on May 13, 2025 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or Stromile Swift over Courtney Sims...grrrrr
The mind set seems to be very much about having a name for yourself.
When you think about it, it is really no different then any other part of life. NBA teams (coaches, scouts, GMs, etc) mostly are followers and assume that if a guy didn’t get drafted that there’s a reason or if they haven’t heard of a guy then he can’t be good.
Frankly, they are right in many cases and also there are plenty of guys that proved they can make the jump. Jamario Moon, Lou Amundson, Matt Barnes, etc…
One things is clear though when you are talking about guys that are 10-13 on an NBA roster. Other factors come into play.
Personality and likability. A guy had better be able to get along and know his role is to help the locker room mood and practice hard. This is where a vet like Sean Marks has an edge.
Agents have to make a big difference here too right? The ability, contacts and other clients of an agent surely must play a role in getting a borderline guy an opportunity over another. I have to think the agent choice for a d-leaguer is more important then a 1st rd draft pick.
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by Phoenix Stan on May 13, 2025 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait one minute
Are you saying that Eddie House in in the NBA because of his likability? That’s pretty meta of you…
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First rule of Meta....
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by Phoenix Stan on May 13, 2025 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies
Just saying… If you’re saying you like Eddie House more than a white point guard that shoots high %’s everwhere and has worked hard for everything, coming up from little, you have issues.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I even like Eddie House....
more than Marbury, let alone an underdog, white SG that looks the sickly kid in my 8th grade algebra class. You’re better than that Stan.
by Aisander D on May 13, 2025 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between House and Ahearn
Is that House’s release is absurdly quick. So quick that he’s one of the few players that is not really affected by the level of contentedness of his shot. Plus, his shots have a very high arc and he’s a very sound cutter coming off screens with his knees bended, hands ready to catch, etc. Ahearn is a great shooter, but he wouldn’t be so effective in the NBA as he is in the D-League.
Ahearn needs to develop some skills House never needed (some PG skills, better defence, creating shots of the bounce, etc), to become a solid NBA rotational player.
by cordobes on May 13, 2025 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He created off the dribble often this season
And I’m not so sure quickness of shot is the difference of the two being in the league. It’s not as if Ahearn has a terribly slow release.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how he gets along with Marbury after this exchange in preseason
"After Marbury drew a foul on Kendrick Perkins and hit two free throws, he turned and screamed at House, from midcourt: ’You’re a bum!’ When play returned to the Celtics’ side of the court, House chirped, ’Don’t worry about me. You better worry about Ray Allen,’ whom Marbury was guarding. Marbury shot back, ’You’re nothing!’ then added, ’You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life."
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by Norsktroll on May 13, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have pretty good chemistry
On and off the floor. They’re always chatting, chest bumping and exchanging high-fives. I think 90% of Marbury assists come from passes to a House curl. It’s kind of homoerotic, actually. Or they’re just excellent actors.
by cordobes on May 13, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homoerotic?
I don’t think, since the truck party, can anyone use Starbury and homoerotic in the same sentence..
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough crowd
I guess I missed the part where I said anything about Eddie House and comparisons to Blake or any other color of point guard. I am not qualified to compare the two since I have only seen one of them play.
The point is that in addition to those other things, likability matters. And yes, Eddie House is a great locker room guy and that has helped his career for sure.
Alando Tucker btw benefits from this as well (plus he’s a better basketball player)
What’s pretty obvious is that the line between the top prospects and the end of the bench guys is pretty darn thin. The guys that really improve their game and deserve to make it do. Those that are close might still. Being a nice guy to be around and having a good agent good be an extra edge.
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by Phoenix Stan on May 13, 2025 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get that weak $#!@ outta here.
Likability does matter, I’m sure. But what if Blake is well-liked in his D-League locker room?
Gotta get that opportunity in the NBA locker room.
A good agent doesn’t necessarily help as much as I’d think… Or at least certain former Suns don’t seem to think so:
Courtney made a decision to leave our agency which was extremely disappointing. Sometimes this business is just hard to understand. We took him out of college and helped to develop him from a $75,000 European player into a legitimate NBA guy with the prospect of a 10-year career. After two years of our service for almost no pay, he fired us because another agent told him that Frank Catapano (who handles Courtney’s NBA affairs) is “too old” to take him through his whole career so it was better to just fire him now and get it over with. Frank has been in this industry for 30 years and is one of the best-connected agents in the world. You can ask anyone. His relationships extend beyond just a business level.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of what you said
There’s not much separation in terms of skill-set between most (but not all) NBA backups and hundreds of players playing overseas and in the D-League (it’s different for stars). Opportunity and luck plays indeed a big role.
Many of them eventually get that opportunity though. Off the top of my head, all these guys have something in common:
PJ Brown
Udonis Haslem
Mario Ellie
Antonio Davis
Bruce Bowen
Brad Miller
Darrell Armstrong
Anthony Parker
Robert Singleton
Jeff McInnis
Raja Bell
and many other guys I can’t remember? They all proved to be solid basketball players in Europe before joining the NBA, developed their game and eventually got a NBA contract and were able to produce. Btw, many players just need time to mature. A basketball career is a marathon, not a sprint. Some guys just develop slower than others. For example, I have no doubt in my mind that players like Marcus Haislip, Terrel McIntyre, Romain Sato and some other guys are easily NBA quality players (this excluding players whose rights are held by NBA teams), just like it was clear Anthony Parker or Mario Elie (or Garbajosa or Calderon) were good enough to make the NBA (not mentioning players who aren’t free-agents) - but none of them was anywhere near that level immediately post-draft.
Jeffers looks to me as a guy who’s good enough to play in the NBA: his defence makes him an useful player at the next level, even if only at a Quinton Ross capacity. I am pretty sure he’ll be playing in the Summer League and find a spot in a training camp.
Frisby I don’t remember watching him, but he averaged 10/6 in the French 2nd division (no surprise that it wasn’t enough to warrant him a look from a NBA team). That’s pretty underwhelming, he must have improved a lot. Some guys may be great playing in minor leagues but have difficulties to translate their games to the NBA. If Frisby is an undersized power-forward, he must do something very well: score with both hands or have a face-up game or drain jumpers automatically or be a truly astonishing defender, a la Chuck Hayes. Otherwise, he can be a productive D-League player but he’d be useless in the NBA.
by cordobes on May 13, 2025 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True
I forgot players are only good if they play in Europe. They are crap if they’ve only played in the D-League. Thanks once again for setting me straight.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Haslem weight 300 pounds when he tried getting into the NBA the first time. Of course his overseas experience helped him make the NBA. Not the fact that he lost 70 pounds.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're really using Jeff McInnis to make your argument?
Also did you mean James Singleton? Not-in-the-league-anymore-James-Singleton?
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by Jon L on May 13, 2025 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Singleton is not in the league anymore
You don’t follow the NBA very closely, do you? Take a look at the boxscores from the Dallas x Denver series.
by cordobes on May 13, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right
that 1:23 he played in the last game really made a difference in the win. On the larger point, sure Singleton and even McInnis had their moments, but no moreso than guys like Mike Taylor.
You could argue, and I guess I am, that just getting playing time helped these guys out, and it didn’t really matter where.
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by Jon L on May 13, 2025 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with TD on one thing
TD: “Ability” to score against NBA’ers..
Look at Morris Almond he easily gets 20+ points every game in the D-League, when he’s in E.S.A. he cant get more than 2.
by Fanaticflashfan.blogspot on May 13, 2025 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him as well
But how does one prove he can score in the NBA if they don’t have the opportunity to play in the NBA?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have some kind of Virtual NBA...
where they use some of the same offensive and defensive sets and are somehow affiliated to the NBA teams. Then players can get “called-up”. Brilliant. Now if only the NBA would accept it.,..
by Aisander D on May 13, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They'd never go for that...
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2025 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much work to organize
And whose got the time to do that?
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 14, 2025 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do...
But anyway, I hate to disappoint, but G-Mac is all but retired.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 14, 2025 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even playing in the Czech Republic
3rd tier league?
by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
He’s thinking about starting a coaching career..
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by Scott Schroeder on May 14, 2025 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe Quin Snyder can give him a Biddy Ball reference...
by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Quin coach G-Mac
In Biddy Ball? If so, we should reserve the movie rights. I would watch Quin teach a young G-Mac biddy ball every night before I go to sleep..
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by Scott Schroeder on May 14, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biddy Ball: A True Story
starring Samuel L. Jackson and Queen Latifah and introducing Scott Schroeder as Gerry MacNamara
by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhh
You’re shattering my hopes and dreams. He’s a future all-star. He and Kyle McAlarney are going to unite to become one person and be the best shooter of all time. You wait.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 14, 2025 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So G-Mac and K-Mac are going to combine
to create the white JJ Redick? I like it. Let me know when they start selling that Jersey.
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by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're scrappier
Than JJ. Everybody hates Redick (including me), whereas Gerry and Kyle are two of the most well-liked men on the planet. Trust me, I did a study.
And Kyrry McNarleymara will play the point. Duh.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on May 14, 2025 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thanks for posting here...
were trying to round up all the people who like the D-League and D-league players.
by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and do what to them?
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by Jon L on May 14, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carve swords and sheilds.....
then storm the Timberwolves front office and demand they relinquish control of the franchise to us. We’re getting a call up baby!!!
by Aisander D on May 14, 2025 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure we can start a pretty decent sized mob
Rough up some of them “NBA fan” types. Chumps.
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