Brandon Jennings, Undrafted Players, and Europe
Apologies in advance that this one's a bit of a ramble. Nevertheless, I want to talk about a few things that have come up in the last few days related to the relationship between the D-League and the European leagues, and how players see each one.
First is the 48 Minutes of Hell piece that Scott linked to yesterday. Tim Varner talked to several players who were projected to go in the second round or undrafted entirely, players who are prime D-League candidates, about what they thought of playing in the NBA's minor league. Here's Varner:
Most of the responses were of the "no, I don’t want to play in the D-League" variety. Other players, surprisingly, knew very little about the D-League. One agent told me in a matter of fact manner that he "doesn’t really address" the subject with his clients.
That's a problem. Not just for us here, who follow the D-League, or even just for Dan Reed. It's a problem for David Stern as well. If he really wants to see the league grow, and saying he wants a team in Harlem would seem in indicate that desire, then he needs players to see the D-League as a viable option, or even just know that it exists. If teams are already struggling to exist, one way to help them would be to ensure there's a steady stream of players ready to come in and help generate revenue. This is especially true since teams can assign roster spots to "local" players. The Utah Flash seem to be doing okay financially, but I would imagine that adding someone like, say, Austin Daye, would help even more. Same with someone like B.J. Mullens and Erie.
There's also the question of whether going over to Europe really helps a player get into the NBA. As of this point, the number of players who have gone from the D-League to the NBA in recent years is much higher than those who started in Europe and then come back over. Look at Mario Austin. He's become a pretty good scorer over in Europe, but it's taken him 5 years to get to the point where he feels he has a shot at the NBA again. It's possible it would've taken him that long had he gone to the D-League, but it's also possible that he would've gotten a call-up a few years ago. Udonis Haslem did it in just a year, but the issue for him was more about shedding weight and getting in proper NBA playing shape, something that he could've done in the D-League as well. Kentrell Gransberry still doesn't have the most ideal NBA physique, but he's lost a bunch of weight and has been working on his conditioning, just as Haslem did.
This leads me to a discussion of Brandon Jennings, which I'll get to after the jump.

Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress has a post today about draft rumors, and there are supposedly some growing concerns about Brandon Jennings, namely that teams haven't really seen him play enough 5-on-5 to evaluate him. Most teams who traveled over to Italy to see Jennings play were frustrated that he played relatively little and out of position. Compounding the problem is that Jennings is now back in the U.S. participating in private workouts rather than playing in the Reebok Eurocamp.
Final judgment on this will have to wait until draft night, where we'll see where Jennings gets picked, but I think it's fair to say that there's a good chance Jennings's decision to play in Europe hasn't worked out as well as he probably hoped it would. Rather then spending a year in the D-League (or college, I guess) where he could've played point guard, and probably gotten a fair amount of playing time, Jennings perhaps has hurt his standing among NBA teams. According to that DraftExpress piece, if Jennings falls past Golden State at #7 he could be in for an even longer slide.
So...why would borderline prospects or high school players like Jeremy Tyler go to Europe to develop their game and make the NBA? The Arizona Daily Star has been following the developments surrounding the University of Arizona's Nic Wise, an early-entry draft candidate, but who was not invited to the combine. In discussing the lack of invite, an NBA scout is quoted as saying
"When players ask me 'Should I go overseas or to the D-League?,' I say you’ll be here (in the United States) in the D-League, you’ll play in an NBA setting with great coaches and great offenses and it’s the only way you’ll get a 10-day callup"
Part of the solution, I think, was alluded to by draft candidate Joe Ingles in the 48 minutes piece when he said "Their situation in Austin is different. It’s really not the same thing. The Toros are part of the Spurs’ program." The implication I got from that (and I don't think it's a stretch) is that increasing the number of one-to-one relationships between NBA teams and D-League affiliates, either through direct ownership or hybrid affiliation, would make the league more attractive to "borderline" players.
Looking at Austin, Marcus Williams wasn't even an NBA assignee, but he grew enough as a player over the course of the season that the Spurs dropped another good player from their roster, Malik Hairston, just to sign him. With a few exceptions, the teams that don't have a one-to-one relationship with their affiliate just don't seem to be paying enough attention to do the same thing.
This brings us back to where we started. In order for there to be more direct relationships between NBA and D-League teams, there need to be more D-League teams. And for that to happen, running a D-League franchise has to be a viable proposition for team owners. But for that to happen, in part, young players need to see the D-League as a viable place to play and be seen by NBA teams. I'm not sure what the exact answer is to that problem, and we've certainly discussed it here in the past, but it strikes me once again (or still) that the problem faced by players who aren't quite ready for the NBA should be easily solved by the presence of the D-League, but those who the League could help seem barely aware of its existence.
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This makes a great point that we've been discussing for some time.
Essentially, even the best “can’t miss” European prospects are hard to gauge against other American prospects. Ricky Rubio this year has been considered the second coming of Jesus in basketball shorts, but the reality of the situation is that no one is quite sure what he is capable of, only having seen a few youtube videos and his Olympic play off the bench. So if a top flight prospect from Europe is some what of an “unknown”, how does a marginal or developing US prospect manage to get noticed and build skill deemed of importance to NBA GMs?
by IcemanCometh on
Jun 2, 2025 1:56 PM EDT
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Jennings has not hurt his stock going to Europe, he has hurt his stock going to a too good team
A team that already had three good guards in place ahead of him that deserved playing time, and in a league where you can only have three foreigners on the active roster. If his agent had scouted/advised the situation a bit better and lets say made a deal to put him on an upper tier but not top 5 team in Spain or Italy he would have benefitted more from it.
His game actually has improved a lot this year, especially coming away from a me-first scoring mentality and working with a top development coach from Serbia who is an assistant for Roma and helped him to improve his shooting and defense. As a point guard, he is a much better prospect now than last year. If an NBA team loved him last year, they should still love him at least as much this year.
by Norsktroll on
Jun 2, 2025 3:21 PM EDT
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If that's true
then why isn’t he the consensus #2 point guard behind Rubio? DraftExpress has Tyreke Evens projected to be drafted before Jennings, and there are some teams who like Stephen Curry, Jrue Holliday or even Ty Lawson more than Jennings.
I’ll grant you that going to a good European team didn’t help, but going to Europe at all meant NBA teams got less exposure to him, and they weren’t able to properly balance Evans’s good NCAA tournament performance with any development that Jennings showed.
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by Jon L on
Jun 2, 2025 3:29 PM EDT
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He should go to the Reebok Eurocamp to show the scouts and GMs more 3-3 and 5-5 action against other (international) prospects
If he doesn’t, that could further hurt him. I would agree that his stock would be better if the had managed to get into a division I school, but I still think he has become a better player last year in Europe playing against pros who play good defense, and would have burned most college kids in the NCAA.
by Norsktroll on
Jun 2, 2025 5:52 PM EDT
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It's rumored he skipped it
And is on his way home…?
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by Scott Schroeder on
Jun 2, 2025 7:37 PM EDT
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Yeah
I believe the Eurocamp is either going on now or will be soon, but Jennings is in the U.S. participating in private workouts. I believe he’s also playing some 3-on-3, but the tenor of that DraftExpress bit made it sound like teams don’t think that’s very helpful either.
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by Jon L on
Jun 2, 2025 10:16 PM EDT
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I have had a notion that the reason NBA vets don't want a larger D-League
Is because the vast majority of players from position 9-15 on the roster don’t want even more players to fight against to stay in the league? It’s obvious that a player like Courtney Sims or Othyus Jeffers belong in the NBA, but there are guys on guaranteed deals who keeping them out of the league as teams fight to stay under the luxury tax.
By the time some of the bad contracts disappear, many of the guys who could make a roster, leave for Europe to make money. Basically, what I am trying to say is that the middle class NBA player doesn’t want to see a larger D-League because that would mean players that typically go over to Europe, would stay around and be in an NBA system, which means lower salaries across the board because the margin of error between five players is so slim.
If you’re picking between an NBA vet and some kid who played in Erie, you probably pick the vet. Now, if you’re picking between an NBA vet and 3 players who played for your Erie affiliate who run your same system, then I think it changes things considerably.
Just my $.02.
by hkf on
Jun 3, 2025 10:30 AM EDT
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I think that's a good point
But it is puzzling why more owners haven’t had that same thought. You’d think they would really want a system like that.
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by Exhibit G on
Jun 3, 2025 11:42 AM EDT
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I'm not sure the players' association has as much say as you think they do.
Certainly stuff like the assignment rules are part of the collective bargaining agreement, but I don’t think the players really have any say over how many teams the D-League can have or the extent to which D-League teams can be affiliated with NBA teams.
Other than that, I think you’re right. The players’ association is interested in making sure that guys who are already NBA players earn as much as possible, which means mgetting a roster spot over a guy who’s hasn’t played in the league yet.
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by Jon L on
Jun 3, 2025 11:50 AM EDT
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The NBAPA obviously cannot stop D-League expansion
I am just saying, that if the salaries come down for players in the 9-15 man range (due to the increased supply of players who have played in an NBA system), the amount of money NBA teams are paying out would decrease. Stars would still get their money as would starters, but the lower level NBA player would be on shorter contracts and there would be much more movement.
Basically a larger D-League hurts the bottom 150 of the league, because it means more ready competition for their jobs and more unguaranteed deals after one year for free agents (in the 9-15 man position on the roster).
I personally am all for it though as once a 1-to-1 relationship exists, the minor league system can truly begin in earnest. I use the Timberwolves as an example last year, where Mark Madsen, Kevin Ollie, Calvin Booth, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins were considered the veterans on the team a year ago (you could include Mike Miller if you like).
Anyway, those five players are pretty much worthless at this point but because of guaranteed deals, better players toil in the D-League. What’s going to happen is a larger D-League means a larger pool to develop from for individual franchises, meaning a guy like Cardinal or Booth doesn’t get a 5-6 year deal just to warm the bench for the rest of his career. They might get a 2-3 year deal, but if they don’t work out and they are the 10th man, then you bring in a younger, cheaper version that spent a year in Sioux Falls learning your system.
It will improve the competitiveness of the bottom 150 of the league, because they know the writing is on the wall (that their jobs will be even more tenuous then they already are). The NBAPA doesn’t like that because that consists of 33% of the union (roughly).
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by hkf on
Jun 3, 2025 11:59 AM EDT
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We don't disagree a whole lot
though I would say that it’s not just guaranteed deals that keep D-Leaguers from getting a shot, it’s blindness, if you will, on the part of many NBA front offices, including (especially?) Minnesota. This seems to be changing, with more teams looking to San Antonio and Houston as models, but I think it will be awhile before there are no longer front office guys who like players like the Collins brothers for no good reason.
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by Jon L on
Jun 3, 2025 12:28 PM EDT
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Great post
It is unconsciously intelligent for a team to get their own D-League affiliate. And it costs about a dollar to maintain. As a Sixers fan, we share Erie with the Cavs, but the last time a Sixer spent a minute in the D-League was Lou Williams in his rookie year (he dominated). That was before the age restriction, but it’s idiotic not to utilize it more a la San Antonio. Here’s an example:
Two years go we came out of the draft with Thad Young, Jason Smith, Herbert Hill, and Derrick Byars after a few minor draft pick swaps. Hill and Byars played in the Summer League but Byars was cut and fled to Europe quickly. Hill got injured and barely played at all as a Sixer draft pick then went to France. Why not sign both of these guys to small deals and stash them in the D-League to call up when you need a last guy on the bench. They both have specific skills (Hill’s rebounding and shot blocking, Byars 3-point shooting and solid defense) that a coach can hone in on to make them more valuable as bench players. Instead of using the D-League to our advantage, we (I mean to say Billy King) released them. This past season we signed Kareem Rush for just under a mil, and he was less than productive, not to mention the opposite of a team player, wallowing on the bench and not working hard in practice. In terms of skill, he and Byars are fairly interchangeable, but how much mroe effort would Byars have given considering his circumstances and work in Erie? Same goes for Hill, except we signed Theo Ratliff to the veteran’s minimum instead of Herb. Theo actually was a valuable asset down the stretch and in playoff time, but having seen Hill play in Providence for 4 years, I contend Herb would have done a serviceable job in his absence.
Much like baseball and developing bullpen arms is economically useful, developing role playing bench players is equally important. It saves money and the effort shown by the young guys instead of recirculated vets is the smart move. I am oblivious as to why only the Spurs seem to realize this.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on
Jun 3, 2025 1:35 PM EDT
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I think it comes down to three distinct differences...
1. Some NBA franchises are in it to win the championship (every single year).
2. Some NBA franchises are in it to at least break even (winning is fine, but you just can’t lose money)
3. Some NBA franchises are owned by people who like people knowing they own a team.
by hkf on
Jun 3, 2025 2:51 PM EDT
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